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Been shy by throwing money around and, and he did that again here. So, you know, C.J. made a decision and I'll let you pass judgment, but what I would say is like, I got a note from a good friend who says at the end of the day, no one's going to remember how much money you make. They're going to remember what kind of leader you were and what kind of person you were. And I'll just leave it at that. Yeah. Can you refresh everyone on your journey, both in your career broadly, but also with MongoDB specifically? Because this is not, this is not a wild card that you're in this seat. Like you are a very logical selection for this interim role. But if you could give us some background on your journey in tech and then your relationship to MongoDB, I think it'd be really helpful to understand. Yeah, sure. So I was a two time founder. A company that started in 2001 was a company called Bladelogic and it ended up going public in 2007 and then acquired by BMC and became the president of BMC Software for a couple years. I segued into being a vc. I was at Greylock in a small firm out of Boston, actually led the B round of Datadog. I'm still the lead director of datadog. I invested in Datadog when Datadog was doing only a million revenue. So sometimes you better be lucky than be good. Obviously Ali and the team there have done a spectacular job. And at the same time, being a vc, I was doing a lot of work on next generation databases. In fact, I looked at some competing investments to MongoDB and. But when I did my diligence, it was clear db, even at that time was way ahead of everyone else. Said way ahead, but ahead of everyone else in terms of developer mindshare and even financial momentum. But ironically about, you know, six months later I got a call from, you know, a search firm saying, hey, MongoDB is looking for a CEO. Would you consider it? And they in fact strongly said, you should definitely take a look at this job. David's ready made for you. Usually you get calls and what's interesting is when you get a call for a CEO job, I train myself to ask what's wrong? Because no one calls you when things are going spectacularly well. No one says, you know what, let's just change things up and make a change of the CEO role. The challenges then are the changes or the problems you have to fix, are they fixable or are this really essentially so fundamental to the company? That just going to be impossible to change. When I looked at MongoDB, what was interesting is that I was not that impressed with how the organization was run. The engine team and product teams were good, but the go to market organization was a bit dysfunctional. The culture of the leadership team was dysfunctional. Then There was really three knocks against MongoDB. 1. Open source. that time, no one had really made money in open source. Red Hat was the only company that had created any real value databases. A lot of companies had died on the vine of being the next Oracle and the landscape was littered with that data based companies. And deep tech out of New York was not something that was proven because at the time was more of an ad tech and kind of consumer space for tech companies. And so when I went through that one, I thought open Source two daughter was going to be much. It was really better technology to open source 1.0. So that addressed that question to databases. I felt like I could see the developer momentum with MongoDB. And I said if developers really love MongoDB, you don't bet against a product that people love. And with New York, you saw Google and Amazon and Meta really investing in the New York area. And we recognized that we didn't have to only hire in New York, but there was definitely a lot of talent. Whereas like 10 years earlier when I tried to start Bladelogic, actually 15 years earlier, it was much harder to do a startup at that time in New York. I actually ended up moving Blade Logic to Boston. Yeah,

You know, red, yellow, green, stoplight as you're building or as you're designing the structure. And that feels like a lot of what you're doing. What about how do you think that the world is going to need to adapt? And supply chains are going to need to adapt to the actual design process and hardware engineering process speeding up by 10x and then 100x, which feels very inevitable at this point. But. But oftentimes during the actual process of designing the system, you're also figuring out how to source all the different inputs to the final product. Yeah. So this is like a really, really important point. Hardware companies are vertically integrated. They're more vertically integrated than they've ever been before, but they still need to partner with suppliers at a very deep level. So even the most vertically integrated automotive companies have hundreds if not thousands of suppliers. And the requirements for what they need is changing on a nearly weekly, if not daily basis. And that core collaboration is happening not just across the company, but across the partner too, for a number of our largest customers. Customers designing everything from data centers to EVs to drones. In the defense industry, they're actually working natively with their partners on flow. So that core collaboration changes that the partners will make will flow into their systems, and then the AI agent will understand the implications of that change in real time. And what used to take weeks or months before can now be done in seconds. And the thing that John mentioned is so important. Architecture is great because it's really obvious what the regulatory requirements are. But if you look at any one of our customers, customers like Anduril, Joby, Stokespace, Rivian, there's hundreds or thousands of reputable requirements that need to be kept up to date across mechanical, electrical, software. And it's a really huge problem to do that today manually. Yeah.

Months to 12 weeks to 12 hours. The world very, very. That is the opportunity ahead of us and that is what we are investing in. Do you like the term AI, or do you think that next cycle you'll be saying super intelligence? Is that a meaningful designation to you or do you see? Because I mean, this is a tool, this is a feature. I'll go first. I don't think it's going to stick. I think it's. I don't think we needed a new name. Going from artificial to super is not suddenly going to help the technology's popularity. Yeah, I do think there is a distinction. I'm not sure everyone's agreed on the distinction, but to me, as you say, AI is a really fundamental tool. And when you put a tool in creators and inventors hands, they're going to invent crazy stuff. I do think we're going to get to the point where AIs and humans collaborate together to design a new class of products. And those products humans couldn't have done by themselves. When you put AIs and humans together, that's a really, really, really special place to design a whole new wave of hardware. Yeah, I think that, I mean, putting aside the AI versus super intelligence debate, it's hard to gauge model progress from deep research reports because those were pretty good a year ago, they're still really good. But this year the thing that's felt like it's jumped forward the most has been things in the 3D world. The blender modeling demos, the video game development. And that feels like a glimpse into, okay, if it's that good at making video games and modeling architecture, it's probably good for hardware engineering. So how much of this year of your progress has been okay, the models are advancing and most importantly, put aside raw iq, Are they super intelligent? Just they got good at hardware this year or there was a step function. Did you feel that this year, has that been an important unlock or has it felt smooth from the inside of the industry? Because from my perspective, it was like I would never try to use an LLM with Blender a year ago. And now it would be my first step to work with Blender. So AI is getting really, really good at hardware engineering. When you look at modern products, whether it's a rocket or an airplane or a car, CAD and 3D design is one really important element, but it's actually probably the last element. By the time you are designing the 3D geometry of your Waymo, for example, all of the mechanical and electrical and the sensors and the AI and the software. There's tens of thousands of hours of engineering work that's gone into the product before you get to geometry. I think we're already seeing AI chip away at that. I think the world that we've seen in AI software development is as the models get better and better, that they can start to do more and more things. In hardware development, the products that we design are so complex that it requires mechanical engineers, electrical systems, software, regulatory test. It requires all these different types of engineers to come together to collaborate on a system. And on every single one of those, AI has been getting meaningfully better over the last year.

I think that example actually touches on something critical, which was that that personalization was really just behavioral. Right. You bought this. You might like that. Right. It has no context on, like, who the hell you actually are as a person. And that's really been the failed promise of personalization for the last decade, which is like a lot of the companies out there selling personalized solutions for marketers. It's all based on Jordy clicked on this ad, or he came in through this landing page and he bought this product. And so we think, and we guess, and we're just going to make some hypothesis, finger to the wind, that the next product he might like is why it's all pulling from the same signals that it's been pulling for from the last 10 years. And, like, it just doesn't work. And the outcome of that, whether it's an agent recommending it or the brand on email or just the landing page, is that it feels highly impersonal. Right. And I would argue that the next layer, the next frontier and the one that we're ushering in is to say, like, who the hell is Jordy? Right? Like, did he just post on his Instagram last week that he got a new Ferrari? That's really important context for me to know, not just that he actually has a car and checked out insurance last month. And so, like, let's upsell him and try to upselect him into some other product which we can draw some fuzzy connection to. Right? So I think agents are going to like, agentic commerce as a concept is in its very early days. Right. Like, I think all these companies are still trying to figure out what does it actually look like for muse or dot or dots or whatever the hell the flavor of the month is, Right. To recommend a product to you in chat and in feature. Very early days of that, and we're keeping a close eye on how we can interface with that and play with it. But I think at the end of the day, it all comes down to, like, whatever touchpoint a business has with their consumer. The most valuable real estate there ever, right? Yeah. And.

Frankly, I'm, I'm a little old fashioned. I have very simple rule. If, if the company's performing, management's in charge. If the company's not performing, the board's in charge. It becomes very simple that way. Right? And yes, you know, you see some public companies or the founders have still total control, but the stocks in the tank because people just say there's no governance here. And you know, why am I investing? Yeah.

Artificial intelligence, finance, everything in between. How you doing, Vlad? Welcome to the show. What's up dudes? What are you doing? We're good. I'm sorry, I'm too focused on the car. As much as I'm excited to see you, this what? Break it down. Explain where you are and what you're doing. So I'm in Houston, Texas at our space themed active trader event called Hood Summit Engines of Creation where we have 1500 of our most engaged active traders. We rolled out 16 products which are awesome, like first of their kind, you know. 24, 7 trading of stocks will be the first place in the US that allows that perps, the first true perps offering in the US with eight perpetual futures. And then Robinhood Agents which is an evolution of our agentic financial superintelligence products. We also sponsor 2311 Racing a NASCAR team. So behind me is Corey Heinz Bar and I don't know if you guys are NASCAR fans. We're America's brokerage so it's only, it's only appropriate for us to be involved in American motorsport. That's great, that's great. Delivery looks fantastic. Yeah. Easy to spot. Yeah. Talk about realize these cars don't have doors. You have to like jump in. Yeah, the window is crazy to me. Have you driven, have you driven it yet? Have they let you be on the wheel? I was trying, but I don't think. Yeah, I don't. Might be a little loud. Corey didn't let me. Maybe the safety car. You take the safety car for a spin. Talk about, talk to me about the AI agents product. Yeah, talk to me about the AI Agents product. How much of this is pull versus push in the modern era? I mean we're seeing this happen with the personal AI agents. Just yesterday people were getting the reversal. They were going to instinct for shopping. And then yesterday they were starting to get, you know, ideas and recommendations for products that they wanted to buy. Push them some pushback on that. But in an agentic trading sense, I feel like if I'm on Robinhood, I kind of want you to come to me and say hey, why do you have your money in this, you know, savings account that's earning 1% when you could be in this thing that earns 3%. Want me just to do that for you? So in terms of like trade ideas generated by the agent that comes to the customer versus me going and saying like I want you to go and run my, my portfolio this way. What's working? Where do you see it going? Yeah. So I think there's lots of different types of agentic finance products that have been tried. Agentic trading is a little bit different than what you're talking about, which is just like almost like a one time, hey, move my money over to where it earns higher interest. You don't need super intelligence for that. Robinhood Agents is really about helping people create strategies. And so we rolled out three things, right. One is Robinhood Agents, which you can think of as, you know, we rolled out an MCP a couple of months ago, a model context protocol, which you can think of as an API that lets you connect external AI agents like your Claude code or your Codex to our services so that they could place trades on your behalf. That was very popular product. It has over 150,000 users have actually connected external agents to it. And so Robin Hood Agents brings that within Robin Hood with all the benefits like trade approval. Separate account brings it in the Robinhood experience where we have over 28 million accounts. The second thing is agent apps. Now if you think about what a lot of hedge funds have access to, it's proprietary data, things like unusual options, flows, satellite imagery, you know, congressional trading data, and agent apps, you can think of as an app store where third parties can plug in, provide proprietary data for use by our customers in creating trading strategies. The third thing we created agent loops so you can have your agent run autonomously and predictably in a deterministic way and execute that strategy for you while you sleep. Sure. So you put these three things together and the way I describe it is we want to give you the power of a hedge fund in your pocket. An extremely sophisticated team of financial trading professionals. Can we give that to everyone? And yeah, I think the way that I think about it, you know, my, my, the start of my financial career was in algorithmic trading. And in the same way that tools like cloud code and Codex have made it easy for anyone to be a programmer, Robinhood Agents will make it easy for anyone to be a financial trading plot. So you can, you can develop a quant trading strategy, extremely sophisticated trading algorithm and we can kind of unlock that for millions of people. Yeah. So what's going on in alternative data? When you said satellite imagery, you brought that up. I thought it was interesting because historically I imagine some type of research organization or a hedge fund would get satellite imagery and then they would need to spend a lot of time actually analyzing the data. Let's say if you wanted to understand retail foot traffic at a big box store. Right. You would be able to look and understand the models out of the box can do a lot of the kind of things now that, that it would have historically taken like building your own algorithms that maybe weren't as reliable, things like that, to sort of extract alpha out of something like a satellite image. Now it feels like that kind of thing can be way more democratized. Do you expect there to be like that sort of alternative data just become more democratized now that models out of the box can do this kind of like complex research? Well, you still need to pay for the data, right? And so yeah, but that's the kind of thing like you guys have 28. Yeah, you guys have 28 million accounts. Like it feels like these are the kind of things that could ultimately be effect crowdfunded one way or another or brought down to like a five dollar subscription, a $5 subscription instead of like a $50,000 subscription. And these things are kind of like skills in our product. So instead of having to go and sign up for it in the Internet and give your agent your username and password, they're just directly integrated. And you know, our partners are all offering these services one month free. We also have a partnership with OpenAI where they're helping us with GPT6 Luna, that'll be offered for free till the end of the year. Cool. And you know, a lot of people say, well, what is this? People are just going to write to their agent and say, make me money and everyone's going to be doing that. I think what's likely to happen is you'll, you'll get more depending on what you put in. So you mentioned the satellite data. You know, imagine exactly what you were saying, someone actually plugging that in and saying, you know, check out these parking lots and build me a proxy for retail traffic on the holiday season. Or my favorite look at the parking lots of various companies and see which ones have employees working weekends or late nights. You know, and you can imagine the possibilities there. There's, there's, there's lots of strategies that are just waiting to be created. I think it'll unlock a whole new kind of arena for competition and creativity among.

So I love this line of questioning because I've been pillared over this for two years now, right? Like, oh, you know, you're going to build the GPUs and they're going to be obsolete. Four days after depreciation killed me. Because the depreciation conversation was, it was a self serving conversation by a few players that had a vested interest in that narrative. Right. But the reality is, right, is that you need the most performant GPUs to build on the frontier. And then once you've built it, there is this incredibly fat tail of other use cases where you can take GPUs and keep them deployed productively for a very, very long time. And so the fact that Sam is talking about it, the fact that you're talking about it, I'm going to take a personal victory loop here because I've been getting clubbed, I've been getting clubbed in the head over this for every time I go on cnbc. They take a whack at me on this. The truth is, look, compute is going to drive intelligence that is going to permeate every asset of civilization. That's a fundamental belief that we have. And what we have seen repeatedly over the years is that every time a GPU is no longer capable of driving the frontier forward, it has a slew of other uses that will absorb it. And I talked about this in my last earnings report. The A1 hundreds, that's 2020 architecture, getting that contracted out through 2029, that is A, you know, like that kind of puts that debate to close, right? Like there are use cases that will absorb this, whether it's batch computing or medical research or, you know, there's a, you know, or things that we haven't even invented yet because there's not enough compute that can drive the new businesses into existence. And so super excited about that. I love that you guys are thinking about that. I love that Sam is thinking about it also. I think it's important. Yeah, yeah. There's just so many different opportunities.

Yeah. What a trip. Yeah. Crazy. Ezra Klein interviewed Bill Gates. Bill Gates had sort of a crazy stance going. I don't know if you saw, but did you? Yeah. Let's play this. Let's play this. Like put his legs out, but let's play this. Get the sound going. Something very unusual. People for it. I know people in that world that the sense of this being something very unusual is. Is very pretty present. Does that change what's possible here? Be numeric. Take the cuts and overseas. I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it answers the cuts in. But this is. We save lives for $1,000 per year. And so getting less money from philanthropist Net doesn't save those lives. People for it. I know people in that world that the sense of that was the wrong clip. Well, that was just him. Of his stance. Cause he's just like very comfortable. Oh, you were stanced up. There's another video. Let's work on finding it. Where he's talking about liability. Right. And Ezra was saying, like, why is it not like when a drug company releases a drug, it's very important to their business and they're sort of. There's existing laws that incentivize them not to release a drug that's going to hurt a lot of people. Great. And let me try to pull this up. No, it was in the timeline somewhere. Yeah. Tyler and I were going back and forth on the authority that the FDA actually has. It can be a little bit confusing because the FDA usually gives marketing authority or marketing denied orders like, you cannot market this product, but effectively, that is, you can't sell it. They use the term marketing, but they don't mean you can put up a website that doesn't make claims and you can still sell something crazy. You do in fact, need to be approved to a product whatsoever. This clip. What's he saying? I almost can't believe you're asking that. This is the most dangerous thing that humans have ever gone near. In other areas, do we just say, hey, release your drugs. There's no fda, there's no airline safety board. There's no requirements that cars use seat belts. Do we just use the liability laws to try and keep humans safe? You know, oh, you're shipping opioids, Somebody should just sue you. I mean, we've created a society that tries to keep people safe. Not by saying, oh, we can bankrupt the person who does that. The harm's here. And you say there's filtering. There's not filtering. You can take an open source model that can Create bioweapons and disable any monitoring of any kind. And this exists today. So no, there is no filtering of any kind. And so say you kill 100 million, you want to use a lawsuit. I almost can't keep a straight face. Anti open source. I don't think as much the point, I think the more broad point that he's making is like you need to have some type of like regulatory process and group. It can't just be full like anti libertarian basically. Sure, sure, sure. But yeah, how do you filter an open source model? You put it behind an API and that's the, that's sort of where the industry broadly is coalescing. I think at this point the self hosting unrestricted models going to have a lot of pushback maybe right up until there's a scare or something or there's someone actually builds a bioweapon, I don't know. But people are certainly starting the machinery of doing this and it'll be a lot less popular unless there's something key to point to like, like a, you know, a cyber incident or something like that. But everyone's, everyone's sort of, you know, aligned on this. Also counterpoint, in the 20th century, over 100 million people probably died from cigarettes and the outcome was like, there's a big lawsuit. So isn't that exactly what he said? Yeah, would not, I mean obviously you don't want that to be the case for what happens. But like yeah, it was, yeah, it was just handled. I think he's like, let's not do that again. Right. Like that's a bad example. But yeah, I mean there are laws and restrictions though on where cigarettes can be sold to who. There is a lot of regulatory harnessing now and even some of that went in pretty early with labeling and then restricted sales to minors. But yeah, it's an interesting time. Who are the, who are the tech libertarians these days that are actually continuing to push on this? Certainly not Bill Gates. Well, in other words,

Of the show. A very, very, very funny post. Yes. From Nick who says I am not joking when I say this. Spotify, Apple Music and streaming in general is over. AI music is now very, very good. You just don't know yet. Because all AI music circulating today is from two to three generations ago. Suno has solved infinite personalized music. And I already had a good laugh about this with you yesterday when I first saw it. Obviously provoking quite a response. Yeah. Coming from somebody who absolutely loves Suno and has gotten so much entertainment about it, I couldn't disagree with this post more. It makes no sense and I don't think anything he's talking about will come to fruition. We just already went through it with text. Like we developed the ability to generate articles on the fly and people still read articles all the time. Infinite personalized articles. Yeah. And people read the news all the time. Yeah, there's like some fall off on the long tail sites, but like the New York Times is still really strong. People read New Yorker articles, people read what you know, any deep dive, any profile, the Colossus profiles are burning up tack every other month and so you get both. And yeah, Suno is very entertaining, but it feels like it's a completely different thing. Barely even a competitor. Of course some of the music will be vended into Spotify, but I still remain optimistic that Spotify will survive the onslaught of AI generated music. Because the best creations, whether it's made with, you know, electronic digital audio, workstations, you know, instruments or AI, they will all find their way onto the platforms and go viral, just as Rubbers did by Phoenix Flexen. It was AI generated, but there was enough of a story and catchiness to that song that it went through the traditional channels and is now streaming on Spotify. Anyway, let me tell you about Codex.

In Wynwood and get him a huracan to pull up to school. All right. You're a gamer? Yes, I am. Somebody put the entire game of Minecraft into Elden Ring as a mod. It runs on Mac. I can't tell which is it? Are you playing? Are you playing? Is the base game Elden Ring or is the base game Minecraft? I think the game, the actual gameplay is Elden Ring. Okay. You are playing as Minecraft character. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This was happening before vibe coding even. I've seen a ton of Elden Ring mods where different characters are replaced with other. Other people. Usually more manual, but this is fun. I played Elden Ring. I played probably five minutes of Minecraft. Never really got into it, but I played a decent amount of Elden Ring. It's a fun game. I like a souls game. They're fun. What did Tenenburg say? I think this tweet is going to do more to educate the general public about modern model capabilities than any launch of any AI company has ever done. That's sort of true, but this was happening in the pre AI era. Like, it just required taking assets from one game, modifying the files. You had to maybe write a little bit of glue code. But all of this was pretty doable. But I agree that this is going to speed up and the future of this is much more personalized because you'll be able to do it for yourself anyway. What's it going to take to get you to beat Elden Ring? Play Elden Ring. Do you know that. Do you know the. Do you know the current viral Elden Ring question or challenge? There's no amount of money. No, it's. Would you rather spend a year in jail or you're in jail until your mom beats Elden Ring? Which one would you. I have no idea. I've never played. I don't know. Is it that hard? It's extremely hard. It's extremely hard. So even if your mom, like, wanted to get you out as fast as possible possible and was doing everything in her power and she couldn't get any, you know. Yeah. Like, couldn't you just. Couldn't she just pay somebody to like. So the game itself is like 100 hours if you're good. And you probably need to have played 1000 hours of video games beforehand to enjoy it and play it well. And so there is a live streamer. Who's actually doing this. He built a fake jail cell and he's in jail eating ramen noodles and sleeping on this, like, cot. And then he is coaching his real through Elden ring and you can see that she's never played a game before, so she's not doing very well and just getting absolutely destroyed by everything. I don't know how real the bit is, but I saw a summary video of it that seemed very funny because it was a funny like, which one would you rather do? But it was fun.

Well, in other news, hedge fund titan Ken Griffin is donating $2 billion to start a Carnegie Mellon University campus in Miami. Saw Horowitz Andreessen Academy and said, hold my beer. Yeah, it's part of the large, largest individual gift ever towards higher education. Very interesting how these, how these name brand universities are starting to franchise a little more with multiple campuses. There was, wasn't there an NYU in the Middle east at one point? I think there were a few different offshoot campuses. Always hard to get these going because part of what makes the campuses and the colleges special is just like, yeah, it's a bunch of buildings that have been around for 100 years. It feels like, feels like a university as opposed to, feels like an office complex. But he thinks he can overcome any of the pushback or, you know, adoption problems because he's ponying up 2 billion for it. The Pittsburgh based university, known for very good self driving car talent coming out of it, is known for its expertise in computer science, artificial intelligence and robotics. It'll open a 35 acre campus in Miami's Wynwood neighborhood. And that's like a pretty pretty. I mean, I gotta say, studying at the Ken Griffin School of Martin Market Wizardry in Wynwood, Miami. Sounds absolutely electric. Yeah. $2 billion. Tyler might be headed back to school. How many SVJs does that get? This might be our new quant. Yeah, I mean it's a pretty like influential area, right? A lot of influencers, Wynwood. Isn't that the vibe? A lot of influencers. I wouldn't say they're very influential. Well, it's, there's already a lot of education going on in that area because there's so many courses. So you can think of this as like the final course. Bro, you're like, he should really. Yeah, a lot of, I mean, very pro education crowd. Very pro education crowd. Also Ken Griffin, known for a fantastic super supercar collection, fits right in there. Ken should really be posting on Instagram. Hey, I made it. Here's how I make a billion dollars. Sign up for my course at Carnegie Mellon University. So funny. The students who graduate and the students who graduate and the tech companies that come to Miami to leverage those skills will change the very fabric of Miami for decades, if not centuries to come. So I had this take early on when the initial push to make Miami a tech hub was happening, that there were two things that were missing. There was not a technical university that was providing a pipeline of talent because so many people, they go to Stanford or Berkeley and they graduate and they want to just stay local and so they would just work at a tech company and they work at a thing. Fired. No, that's not true because all the quants or a lot of them were in Chicago. What's the school there like? I guess University of Chicago or Northwestern. I don't think UChicago is like a STEM school. They have a great economics program for sure. But also, but like the Chicago School of Clothes, Citadel is so established that they pull people from New York and also they have a New York office. But. But moving from New York to Chicago is not as aggressive as moving from Chicago or New York to Wynwood, bro. Let's be real. But also of all the big tech companies, Miami ranks remarkably low for tech penetration. Like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, they have campuses in Denver, Austin, they have stuff in Virginia and Chicago and Seattle. And they've all proliferated such that there's a Google campus in Santa Monica. So if you go to UCLA or USC and you want to stay local in la, you can get a job at Google. It will be maybe slightly different team, but there's a real office and a real campus in this city that didn't really exist. Microsoft was starting to do some things, but there wasn't this. Okay, well, you can go get new grads here at least to start the flywheel. And then also you can pull people from big tech because there's a number of offices here. And so Miami had a ton going forward with the regulation and the climate obviously and the supercars. But. But it didn't have the deep talent pool that made it easy. So a lot of the companies that move there, they had to like acquire companies and move. A lot of people, they had to. I mean, if you're like a made man at Citadel, going from Chicago to Florida is fantastic for tax reasons. You're going to go down there with your whole crew. But if you're. But they're not trying to scale up necessarily. Like the core Citadel team is not trying to 100x their workforce in the next few years like many startups are. But if you're a founding team with 10 people and you're like, okay, we might be at 1,000 people, 100 times the size in a few years if things go well. Doing that in Miami has historically been very hard because every recruit process has been hard fought, basically. I don't know. But yeah, we should send Tyler to Carnegie Mellon University in Wynwood and get him a hurricane to put.

Pope Leo apparently is not happy with Jensen Huang. He told reporters that he had read reports about Nvidia launching new safety tools for model builders on Monday, but questioned Wong's commitment to safety in light of his recent comments. Quote, he's the same one, however, that says there should be no limits placed and no government regulation. Pope Leo said on the flight back to Rome from a visit to France. I do think, can you imagine raised, can you imagine like reading, like knowing that headline was going to hit now in 2018, Pope Leo criticizes Nvidia's Jensen Huang over AI safety. Yeah. What a trip. Yeah. Crazy. Ezra Klein interviewed Bill Gates. Bill Gates had sort of a crazy stance going. I don't know if you saw, but did you? Yeah, let's play this. Let's play this. Like put his legs out but let's play this. Get the sound going. Sense of something very unusual for it. I know people in that world that the sense of this.

Well, anyways, we can continue for now. Okay. There were some videos. I haven't actually watched them, but we're gonna watch them now. They were clip farming. They were clip farming. Okay. That's what's happened. So there were you mentioned yesterday that Alex Karp was asking questions to the reporter or something like that. But here we have Donald Trump, Dario Amadei and a few other folks gathered around standing out side and we will watch this clip right now. Whatever he says is okay, be careful. I will say what I've always said, which is that AI has benefits. I've talked about the meta benefit to the technology. As the President has said, you know, whoever wins, wins. I think that's very important. But technology has very real mechanism. How we address those risks is still under discussion. Need to work together. Oh, so this is like a super cut of. You have no idea who these people are. These are the words. You have no idea who they are. Well, I think it is worth highlighting the bits of AI. Mr. Musk, can I ask you a quick question? Trump really makes them seem like they're all his, like sons and like younger family members. It was a very productive. Mr. President, how did the meeting go? Son, how. Mr. President, how are you? Yeah, crazy. What did. Natasha, at what point. At what point should Trump just actually have a 24.7live stream or be like, like of his own live stream? Right. He has so much conflict with the media, he should just have his own. Yeah, I think it'll happen. I mean, yeah, that was the. I think we were talking about that with the knockoff of the pod, the knock on effects of the podcast election. The idea that, that Trump did like hundreds of hours of podcasts in the run up to the election. And just the awareness, the clips, the impressions were so high. It was that he did more in terms of volume and also got more reach. Kamala Harris did call her daddy, but it was a much shorter episode. So at the same time he knows about clip farming. Three hours on Rogan, that's more opportunity for clips. Yeah, clip farming. Kamala did, I think 45 minutes on call her dad. And the actual episode didn't fly as much. Like it wasn't repurposed as much all over the place. And so, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 24. 7 live stream of the President or something close to it in the near future. Let's play this clip from Natasha Tiku. She says, unfortunately, I will be going back to school to write my dissertation on this one minute film. Let's see what happened in this film. So I just want to hear from you after this big summit where you are today. Look, I mean, I will say what I've always said, which is that AI has incredible benefits. I've talked about the medical benefits of the technology. As the president has said, you know, whoever wins, AI wins. I think that's very important. But I think the technology has very real risks. And, you know, the mechanism, how we address those risks is still under discussion. But we all need to work. We all need to work together to make sure that we can win and we can win safely. If we, if we do this right, we work with the President and everyone here, we can win safely. Whoa. So much louder the gallery. Really fascinating. Yeah. Are there any other clips that we should watch through? Look, it's just funny that Trump is distracted while Dario is giving his speech. Is that what's going on? I don't know. Yeah, it seems very. What did he say about Sundar? Didn't he say something funny about Sundar? I want to play this. He's a monster. They said he's a monster. That's a pretty good. That's a pretty good. Pretty good thing to be called. I guess being called a monster would fix me. Yeah. Let's play this clip. And they're going to be watching over each other. So you want to say President, first of all. Thanks, Mr. President. You have no idea who these people are. These are the biggest people in the world. You have no idea who the hell they are. The media is like, of course they know. What a great life. What a great life. No one knows who you are. Living in humble anonymity as the CEO of Google. He says, what's your name? What's your name? Just all you have to know is Sundar. Sundar is his name. Hopefully. That's all you have to know. That's all you have to know. I'm introducing the CEO of Google for the first time, I guess. Anyway, bunch of other stuff going on. Well, let me tell you about railway. Railway is the all in one intelligent cloud provider. Use your favorite agents to deploy web app servers data. This is a Morwell Railway automatic.

Pacing the frontier, the build out, et cetera, stuff like that, and signing signatures. We had some signature analysis break down. We can go through this, but first let me tell you about public.com, investing for those who take it seriously. We got stocks, options, bonds, crypto, treasuries and more with great customer service. Sholto shared a picture of the letter that was signed the White House Accord on Superintelligence, the Joint Committee on Frontier Responsibilities. In order to build a positive future for the American people in the world, we believe that every company is responsible for developing its own technology safely and in a way that builds trust with consumers and the public. One, they're going to implement robust internal controls to monitor the capabilities and alignment of models during training and deployment around cybersecurity, biosecurity, chemical threats, et cetera. They want to empower an internal team to ensure all the controls, monitoring and detection are operating as intended. Three, they're going to partner with external auditors and evaluators to carry out independent assessments of whether the controls, monitoring and detection are operating as intended. And four, they're going to designate an independent committee of the board of directors to oversee and receive reports from the teams operating the controls and the internal and external auditors. So align to the board of directors. That circumvents the CEO for safety, alignment, evaluation, all of that good stuff. A bunch of people signed it. We got Sundar from Google, Dario from Anthropic, Mark Zuckerberg from Meta, Greg Brockman from OpenAI, Elon Musk from Xai, Jensen from Nvidia, and Donald Trump, the President of the United States. And people, a lot of people do an analysis on the various signatures. Yes, someone did a tier list. I was surprised by their tier list. I'd like to see you do a tier list. Where would you put Donald Trump's signature? I mean, it's hate him or love him. I think it's pretty iconic. Like, it's just so, it's, it has so aggressive flow to it. It's very uniform. But no, the thing with you don't know, it's. Yeah, it looks like you child drew a mountain range, but versus Jensen. I'm seeing a lot of Jensen Wong in there. But what's impressive to me is I would want to compare the DJT signature. Like, I would want to look at 100 of them and see like, is he, is he nailing it every single time? He's been doing autographs for long enough. I would expect that he is, but still looks like very difficult to actually Be able to nail that and really get that dialed. Yeah. So again, he's going with a Sharpie, too. So he's. He's sort of like, trying to mog. Oh, that's true. I didn't realize. He's like, I'll give you the pen. I'll take the Sharpie. Yeah. Automatically it's like you're winning on thickness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Winning on the breadth is much more significant with that. Interesting strategy. And then going down the list, you know, Sundar, again, would never. Would never know. I like the two lines. Little dot there. Yeah. It almost looks like there's a couple different. Yeah, it looks like an abstract artist signature. I could see that on a painting. Or maybe he. Yeah. It almost looks like he's made up his own, like, letters and, like, language. Okay. Dario. Little more. Kind of. Kind of like, down on the first word. And then it seemed like he was kind of drifting words. My theory. I almost think here, like, someone was, like, holding the piece of paper, and they were all. So I think. I basically think Trump put. Put the paper down aggressively, signed with a Sharpie, and then told everyone else because he knew this was gonna go out. You guys sign. You know, when you're trying to sign. So you think it was a situation where, like, Dari was signing on Greg's back, like, oh, sign on my back. Like that type of thing. That might have been what happened. Yeah. Kind of like throwing down. Yeah. Notably, you don't see any situations where the pen punched through the paper. That sometimes happens. If you're trying to sign a document on someone's back and you're punching through the soft jacket that they're wearing, that could be a risk. Doesn't seem like it happened in this case. Anyway. So, Dario, pretty down the middle. Pretty safe. Again, kind of emulating that sort of mountain range style. Right. Where by the end of the signature, it's just a bunch of lines going up and down. Sort of unclear. Zuck again. More. More. Kind of rock star esque. Right. Almost musical feeling. GDB coming in. Just minimalist. Minimalist. Minimalist. Simple, readable. Yeah. He's a very. I would say, in some ways, these are reflections of their personalities. Right. GDB is very practical. Signature. Window into the soul. It's a window into the soul. Right. Extremely practical. Sticking to the basics, sticking to what works. Yeah. And, yeah, obvious why a lot of people are saying that's at least 8 a tier. What is we. What is Mark Zuckerberg's actual signature? MZB or just MZ and then the Z goes crazy. Is that what that is? Because it starts doing tricks. Yeah, it starts doing tricks. And I think Sundar might have done the same thing. But I feel like there's a little bit of a line that you don't cross. If somebody asks you for a full signature and you do an initials, that's a different thing. Sometimes you're on a document, you got to sign your initials a bunch. You got to sign the full thing. I have respect for the full name signature. If you ask me for a full name signature, I'm throwing down my full name. I'm not just randomly switching up to initials. I think it's totally fair game. It's totally fair game. You can just do initials, Cursive initials. Is this cursive initials from Greg Brockman? No, but I think that's where Sundar was maybe going. So you're giving Sundar the pass. You're giving Zuckerberg because the mz Jensen. A lot of people are saying that Jensen's calligraphy. He brought his calligrapher. Yeah, I mean, I. I first read Ed Hardy, So I thought that. I thought that. Yeah, I don't know, maybe he had some affinity. Let's pull up Hardy. Did he put his middle name in there? What's his middle name? Here's the Ed Hardy logo. Jensen does not have a traditional English middle name. Oh, it's Jen Sun. So J, E, N, H S U N. So that second letter. Okay. ChatGPT that to make it look exactly like Jensen Wong. Yeah. So he signs not with the English version, with the lowercase ensen. He throws a capital H in there, which gives it an extra flourish. It's the most tasteful. It earns the S tier. A lot of people saying, you know, Jensen has the same initials as John Hancock. Kind of evocative in his single. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Monitoring the situation. Monitoring. Meme here did not like Sundars. He put Sundar in F tier. I thought Sundars had some nice flair to it, although it was potentially the most abstract. But. And I feel like putting MZ in C tier. I guess the Z does go a little crazy. But anyway, very, very fun trying to see if we can get some real time handwriting analysis on the. Do you have a handwriting analyst on speed dial? I have access to superintelligence. Okay. Okay. You're using super intelligence. Well, anyways, we can continue for now. Okay. There were some videos.

What's the news? What's going on? You raised some money. How much did you raise? We raised 50 million on a 750 valuation. Congrats. John was feeling that one. Thank you very much. And for what purpose did you raise this money? We are going to invest heavily in AI. Okay. We are doing a huge amount with AI. AI is completely transforming hardware engineering just in the way that it's transformed software engineering in the last year. I think when we see design cycles of rockets and airplanes and cars go down from 12 months to 12 weeks to 12 hours, the world very, very. That is the opportunity ahead of us and that is what we are investing in. Do you like the term AI, or do you think that next cycle you'll be saying super intelligence? Is that a meaningful designation to you or do you see, Because, I mean, this is a tool, this is a feature. I'll go first. I don't think it's going to stick. I think it's. I don't think we needed a new name. Make.

Thousand people, 100 times the size in a few years if things go well. Doing that in Miami has historically been very hard because every recruit process has been hard fought, basically. I don't know. But yeah, we should send Tyler to Carnegie Mellon University in Wynwood and get him a hurricane to pull up to the school. All right. You're a gamer? Yes, I am. Somebody put the entire game of Minecraft into Elden Ring as a mod. It runs on Mac. I can't tell which is it. Are you playing? Are you playing? Is it. Is the base game Elden Ring or is the base game Minecraft? I think the game. The actual gameplay is Elden Ring. Okay. You are playing as Minecraft character. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This was happening before vibe coding even. I've seen a ton of Elden Ring mods where different characters are replaced with other people. Usually more manual. But this is fun. I played Elden Ring. I played probably five minutes of Minecraft. Never really got into it, but I played a decent amount of Elden Ring. It's a fun game. I like a souls game. They're fun. What did Tenebrous say? I think this tweet is going to do more to educate the general public about modern model capabilities than any launch of any AI company has ever done. That's sort of true, but this could. This was happening in the pre AI era. Like, it just required taking assets from one game, modifying the files. You had to maybe write a little bit of glue code. But all of this was pretty doable. But I agree that this is going to speed up and the future of this is much more personalized because you'll be able to do it for yourself anyway. What's it gonna take to get you to beat Elden Ring? Play Elden Ring. Do you know the. I would need to be. Do you know the current viral Elden Ring question or challenge? There's no amount of money. No, it's. Would you rather spend a year in jail or you're in jail until your mom beats Elden Ring? Which one would you. I have no idea. I've never played. I don't know. Is it that hard? It's extremely hard. It's extremely hard. So even if your mom wanted to get you out as fast as possible and was doing everything in her power and she couldn't get any, you know. Yeah. Like, couldn't she just pay somebody to, like. So the game itself is like 100 hours if you're good. And you probably need to have played 1000 hours of video games beforehand to enjoy it and play it well. And so there is a live streamer who's actually doing this. He built a fake jail cell and he's in jail eating ramen noodles and sleeping on this cot. And then he is coaching his real mom through Elden ring and you can see that she's never played a game before, so she's not doing very well and just getting absolutely destroyed by everything. I don't know how real the bit is, but I saw a summary video of it that seemed very funny because it was a funny like which one would you rather do, you know? But it was fun. Anyway, is there anything else in the timeline we need to get to before we bring in our first guest of the show? A very, very, very funny post from Nick who says I am not joking when I say this. Spotify, Apple Music and streaming in general is over. AI music is now very, very good. You just don't know yet because all AI music circulating today is from two to three generations ago. Suno has solved infinite personalized music and I already had a good laugh about this with you yesterday when I first saw it, obviously provoking quite a response. Yeah,

Like the core Citadel team is not trying to 100x their workforce in the next few years like many startups are, but if you're a founding team with 10 people and you're like, okay, we might be at 1,000 people, 100 times the size in a few years if things go well. Doing that in Miami has historically been very hard because every recruit process has been hard fought, basically. I don't know. But yeah, we should send. We should send Tyler to Carnegie Mellon University in Wynwood and get him. Get him a huracan to pull up to the school. All right. You're a gamer? Yes, I am. Somebody put the entire game of Minecraft into Elden Ring as a mod. It runs on Mac. I can't tell which is it. Are you playing? Are you playing? Is it. Is the base game Elden Ring or is the base game Minecraft? I think the game, the actual gameplay is Elden Ring. Okay. You are playing as Minecraft character. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The. This was happening before vibe coding even. I've seen a ton of Elden Ring mods where different characters are replaced with other. Other people. Usually more manual, but this is fun. I played Elden Ring. I've played probably five minutes of Minecraft. Never really got into it, but I played a decent amount of Elden Ring. It's a fun game. I like a souls game. They're fun. What did Tenenburg say? I think this tweet is going to do more to educate the general public about modern model capabilities than any launch of any AI company has ever done. That's sort of true, but this was happening in the pre AI era. Like, it just required taking assets from one game, modifying the files. You had to maybe write a little bit of glue code. But all of this was pretty doable. But I agree that this is going to speed up and the future of this is much more personalized because you'll be.

On the. Do you have a handwriting analyst on speed dial? I have access to superintelligence. Okay. Okay. You're using superintelligence. Well, anyways, we can continue for now. Okay. There were some videos. I haven't actually watched them, but we're gonna watch them now. They were clip farming. They were clip farming. Okay. That's what's happened. So there were you mentioned yesterday that Alex Karp was asking questions to the reporter or something like that. But here we have Donald Trump, Dario Amadei, and a few other folks gathered around standing outside, and we will watch this clip right now. Whatever he says is. Okay, be careful. I will say what I've always said, which is that AI has benefits. I've talked about the meta benefits of the technology. As the President has said, you know, whoever wins, wins. I think that's very important. But technology has very real mechanism. How we address those risks is still under discussion. We need to work together. A super cut of. You have no idea who these people are. These are the word. You have no idea who they are. Well, I think it's worth highlighting the AI, which will. Mr. President, why? Mr. Musk, can I ask you a quick question? Probably not. Probably. Trump really makes them seem like they're all his, like, sons and like, younger family members. It was a very productive. Mr. President. How did the. How, Mr. President. How. Yeah, crazy. What did. Natasha, at what point. At what point should Trump just actually have a 24.7live stream or be like. Like, of his own live stream? Right. He has so much conflict with the media, he should just have his own. Yeah, I think it'll happen. I mean, yeah, that was the. I think we were talking about that with the knockoff of the podcast, the knock on effects of the podcast election. The idea that Trump did like hundreds of hours of podcasts in the run up to the election. And just the awareness, the clips, the impressions were so high. It was that he did more in terms of volume and also got more reach. Kamala Harris did Call Her Daddy, but it was a much shorter episode. So at the same time, he knows three hours on Rogan, that's more opportunity for clips. Yeah, clip farming. Kamala did, I think 45 minutes on call Her Daddy. And the actual episode didn't fly as much. Like, it wasn't repurposed as much all over the place. And so, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 24. 7 live stream of the President or something close to it in the near future. Let's play this clip from Natasha Tiku, she says, unfortunately, I will be going back to school to write my dissertation on this one minute film. Let's see what happened in this film. I just want to hear from you after this big summit where you are today. Look, I mean, I will say what I've always said, which is that AI has incredible benefits. I've talked about the medical benefits of the technology. As the President has said, whoever wins, AI wins. I think that's very important. But I think the technology has very real risks. And, you know, the mechanism, how we address those risks is still under discussion. But we all need to work. We all need to work together to make sure that we can win and we can win safely. If we do this right, we work with the President and everyone here, we can win safely. Whoa. So much louder. Oh, the gallery. Really Fascinating. Yeah. Are there any other clips that we should watch through? Look, it's just funny that Trump is distracted while Dario's giving his speech. Is that what's going on? I don't know. Yeah, it seems very. What did he say about Sundar? Didn't he say something funny about Sundar? I want to play this. He's a monster. They said he's a monster. That's a pretty good. That's a pretty good. Pretty good thing to be called. I guess being called a monster would fix me. Yeah. Let's play this clip. And they're going to be watching over each other. First of all, thanks, Mr. President. You have no idea who these people are. These are the biggest people in the world. You have no idea who they are. The media is. Of course they know. What a great life. What a great life. No one knows who you are living in humble anonymity as the CEO of Google. He says, what's the name? What's your name? Just all you have to do is Sundar. Sundar is his name. Hopefully. This is the crazy. That's all you have to know. That's all you have to know. He's like, I'm introducing the CEO of Google for the first time, I guess. Anyway, bunch of other stuff going on. Well, let me tell you about Railway. Railway is the all in one intelligent cloud provider. Use your favorite agents to deploy web apps, servers, databases and more. Railway automatically takes care of scaling, monitoring and security. Little drama Encoding Agent Land. Okay. Yeah. Baton Granberg. Yeah.

That's being used maliciously, even with near frontier open source intelligence. So I don't know, we'll see how it goes there. I'm sure there will be more discussions. It's not even to say that this dinner was about open source at all. It's just sort of interesting to take the temperature of where is DC on AI? Who is getting the most quality time with the President and the administration and then where do they stand on the issues of today? Obviously this was much more just about pacing the frontier, the build out, et cetera, stuff like that and signing signatures. We had some signature analysis breakdown. We can go through this, but first let me tell you about public.com, investing for those who take it seriously. We got stocks, options, bonds, crypto, treasuries and more with great customer service. Sholto shared a picture of the letter that was signed the White House Accord on Superintelligence. The Joint Committee on Frontier Responsibilities in order to build a positive future for the American people in the world, we believe that every company is responsible for developing its own technology safely and in a way that builds trust with consumers and the public. One, they're going to implement robust internal controls to monitor the capabilities and alignment of models during training and deployment, deployment around cybersecurity, biosecurity, chemical threats, et cetera. They want to empower an internal team to ensure all the controls, monitoring and detection are operating as intended. Three, they're going to partner with external auditors and evaluators to carry out independent assessments of whether the controls, monitoring and detection are operating as intended. And four, they're going to designate an independent committee of the Board of Directors to oversee and receive reports from the teams operating the controls and the internal and external auditors so aligned to the Board of Directors. That circumvents the CEO for safety, alignment, evaluation, all of that good stuff. A bunch of people signed it. We got Sundar from Google, Dario from Anthropic, Mark Zuckerberg from Meta, Greg Brockman from OpenAI, Elon Musk from Xai, Jensen from Nvidia, and Donald Trump, the President of the United States. And people, a lot of people do an analysis on the various signatures. Yes, someone did a tier list. I was surprised by their tier list. I'd like to see you do a tier list. Where would you put Donald Trump's signature? I mean, it's hate him or love him. I think it's pretty iconic. Like it's just so. It has a flow to it, it's very uniform, but. But it doesn't read. If you don't know it's signature, it looks like a child drew a mountain range, but versus Jensen. I'm seeing a lot of Jensen Huang in there. But what's impressive to me is I would want to compare the DJT signature. Like, I would want to look at 100 of them and see, like, is he. Is he nailing it every single time? He's been doing autographs for long enough. I would expect that he is, but still looks, like, very difficult to actually be able to nail that and really get that dialed. Yeah. So again, he's going with a Sharpie, too. So he's. He's sort of, like, trying to mog. Oh, that's true. I didn't realize. He's like, I'll give you the pen. I'll take the Sharpie. Yeah. Automatically it's like you're winning on thickness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Winning on the breadth is much more significant with that interesting strategy. And then going down the list, you know, Sundar, again, would never. Would never know. I like the two lines. Little dot there. Yeah. It almost looks like there's a couple different. Yeah, it looks like an abstract artist signature. I could see that on a painting. Or maybe he. Yeah. It almost looks like he's made up his own, like, letters and, like, language. Okay. Dario kind of kind of, like, down on the first word, and then it seemed like he was kind of dripping words. My theory. I. I almost think here, like, someone was, like, holding the piece of paper, and they were all. So I think. I basically think Trump put the paper down aggressively, signed with a Sharpie, and then told everyone else because he knew this was gonna go out. You guys sign, you know, when you're trying to sign. So you think it was a situation where, like, Dari was signing on Greg's back, like, oh, sign on my back. Like that type of thing. That might have been what happened. Yeah. Kind of like throwing down. Yeah. Notably, you don't see any situations where the pen punched through the paper. That sometimes happens. If you're trying to sign a document on someone's back and you're punching through the soft jacket that they're wearing, that could be a risk. Doesn't seem like it happened in this case. Anyway. So Dario, pretty down the middle, pretty safe. Again, kind of emulating that sort of mountain range style. Right. Where by the end of the signature, it's just a bunch of lines going up and down. Sort of unclear. Zuck again. More. More kind of rock star esque. Right. Almost musical feeling. GDB coming in just minimalist. Minimalist. Minimalist. Simple, readable. Yeah. He's a very. I would say, in some ways, these are reflections of their personalities. Right. GDB is very practical. Signature. Window into the soul. It's a window into the soul. Right. Extremely practical. Sticking to the basics. Sticking to what works. Yeah. And, yeah. Obvious why a lot of people are saying that's at least 8 a tier. What is we. What is Mark Zuckerberg's actual signature? MZB or just mz and then the Z goes crazy. Is that what that is? Because it starts doing tricks. Yeah, it starts doing tricks, and I think Sundar might have done the same thing, but I feel like there's a little bit of a line that you don't cross. If somebody asks you for a full signature and you do an initials, that's a different thing. Sometimes you're on a document, you got to sign your initials a bunch. You got to sign the full thing. I have respect for the full name signature. If you ask me for a full name signature, I'm throwing down my full name. I'm not just randomly switching up to initials. I think it's totally fair game. It's totally fair game. You can just do initials. Cursive initials. Is this cursive initials from Greg Brockman? No, but I think that's where Sundar was maybe going. So you're giving Sundar the pass. You're giving Zuckerberg because the MZ Jensen. A lot of people are saying that Jensen's calligraphy. He brought his calligrapher. Yeah. I mean, I. I first read Ed Hardy, So I thought that. I thought that. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he had some affinity. Let's pull up Hardy. Did he put his middle name in there? What's his middle name? Here's the Ed Hardy logo. Jensen does not have a traditional English middle name. Oh, it's Jen sun. So J, E, N, H S U, N. So that second letter. Okay. ChatGPT that to make it look exactly like Jensen Wong. Yeah. So he signs not with the English version, with the lowercase ensen. He throws a capital H in there, which gives it an extra flourish. It's the most tasteful. It earns the S tier. A lot of people saying Jensen has the same initials as John Hancock. Kind of evocative in his single. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Monitoring the situation. Monitoring. Meme here did not like Sundars. He put Sundar in F tier. I thought Sundars had some nice flair to it, although it was potentially the most abstract but. And I feel like putting MZ in C tier. I guess the Z does go a little crazy. But anyway, very, very fun trying to see if we can get some real time handwriting analysis on the. Do you have a handwriting analyst on speed dial? I have access to superintelligence. Okay. Okay. You're using superintelligence. Well, anyways, we can continue for now. Okay. There were some videos I haven't.