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Is because there's true luxury and craftsmanship and there's true scale and optimization and then there's the reality of the world which exists fluidly somewhere in between with many hyper optimized businesses pretending to be craftsman first and true luxury businesses. And I think AI kind of acts like a steroid in the sense that if someone wants to be optimized, they can be more optimized than ever. But a hole in the wall French restaurant. If they wanted to optimize their booking process with OpenTable or seven rooms, they would have. Yeah, so it's not like they've been waiting for this AI optimization. They've resented everything anyway. They still have a corded phone. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. They'd like the hotel has been resisting like everything, all this stuff for so long. They even resist air conditioning, some of these things. So like I think really it's the optimized will become more optimized and therefore less luxurious. Therefore these two poles we're talking about become more polarized and the exclusive becomes more exclusive. So all the agents knocking on the door, what does that mean? The door becomes thicker and they only allow the pre AI guests to join. And I actually love a hotel. It's called Y San Pietro in Positano. It's a very special family owned hotel farm to table. Over 70% of the guests are people that have stayed at the hotel for over 10 years and over 50% are over 20 years. So this is like a members club without a membership. This is a true home vacation home really. And the new people who'd like to go there are by referral only. And that's why this whole new members club thing actually kind of bugs me because I think it's all just marketing. It's all kind of junk where if you can just. If the only barrier to joining a club and becoming a member is financial, it's not a real club. It should be based on values and knowledge and time and connection. Some of these clubs like try to put on this.

I feel like the health and wellness thing is now nearly like the final boss stage of consumption, where stage one, people focus on that status I was talking about. When they first make money, they want to celebrate. It's festive. They're like, I made it. I want to go party and show people I made it. Stage two, I think, is indulgence. They go on a lot of wine tours, drink a ton of wine, eat a lot of caviar, and it's like, still somewhat status y, but they think it's more understated, but it's still highly indulgent. And then eventually they get over it, and they say, you know what? I bought all the cars, I got the watches. I'm over all of this. What really matters. And they dive deeper into health and wellness. And all the people I know, eventually, to be honest, that have been spending for a long time who go from flashy to understated, eventually also go to sporty. And that's the final boss. Yeah. They go from cashmere to Athleisure, still in Kashmir. And then what's their marathon time and then. Exactly. Yeah. What's their cycling, triathlon or cycling? Because they want to live forever. Exactly. Yeah. This is.

Right now, compute kind of looks like the early days before there was a power grid. And when that happened, every factory ran its own generator. And they had to schedule that generator to exist for peak capacity. And then during idle hours, they would just sort of burn that money. And so what happened in the power markets is that utilities came in and they pooled demand between all of these different factories. And then by doing that, you made the economics of all the factories better. And this is how we scaled up electrification in the country. This is what people are trying to do with compute markets. It's what we are trying to do with compute markets. But I think at the moment there's a whole bunch of folks who are entering the space and the way that they're trying to do it is they're typically trying to create some sort of index price. And then you can create a cash settled future on top of this. Our impression is that by doing this, you're divorcing it from the actual technology under the hood because the index isn't connected to anything. You're not actually buying the computer. You're sort of trading on this magical number.

The first thing is to always go back and, you know, check the lpa, because usually there are some vice clauses in the LPA and you want to start as broad as possible, but there's always going to be an LP or two that you kind of are balancing. Do I really want this lp? But they've got these vice clauses, and so you have to balance that if you're balancing that correctly, and we can put that aside. I have seen a couple of gps that actually focus on vice. Like their. Their whole point of view and their whole approach is, is to go after the vice opportunities, particularly because there's not a lot of capital chasing them. They're often really good businesses, and with the limited number, you keep the valuations much more reasonable, and then that preserves a lot of the upside. And I think there's another thing that just naturally happens, is we evolve as a, you know, as a. When you think about the United States and where we've been historically, over the past hundred years, we've almost had a little bit of a pendulum swing for certain things that are considered vice, and now they're not considered vice anymore. And then it also kind of just depends on the general mood, I think, you know, when the economy is doing well, you know, you kind of have a little more leeway with some of the things that could be a little bit more in the vice category. When things get a little more restricted or when there's, you know, a certain administration that could be in, then you could see things kind of moving in the other direction. You know, I think one of the things that I've looked at right now, I don't. I wouldn't consider it a vice per se. Although if you go into certain gyms in, you know, Southern California, it could probably be a vice, which is peptides. Oh, yeah, right. So when I start to think about peptides and how the pendulum is swinging with peptides, you know, We've got the GLP1s, which are peptides. People may not know they're peptides, but they are. And now we've getting. We're getting a little more open to thinking about having peptides be a little bit more regulated, but regulated in the right way so that we can get the research necessary so that people can now buy on the regular market as opposed to the gray market. So that's one where I think, you know, the pendulum is swinging in the right direction partially because of the administration. You know, it's RFK Jr. Who's really a proponent of peptides. So, you know, I think there's opportunities there. And you just have to, I think as a, as a. If I'm sitting with my LP hat on. Right. I've got to think about what parameter I want to put around the LPA and how restrictive do I want to be. Because there are some great opportunities that, you know, I don't really think of him as vice anymore in the 2000 and twenties. Yeah. The other thing.

Which is these gps that are the best usually they have, especially in the age of AI. The thing that I really have noticed is that the GPS that are just getting started in their career, the best GPS are much more technical. Even within the last 10 years. I think that's the biggest evolution that I've seen. And when I compare the profiles of not all GPS that are more experienced and deeper in their careers, but a significant number, when you just look at their backgrounds, they, they don't necessarily have the depth of the technical side. And when you look at the GPS that we see today with the smaller funds, these are folks that are coming in with a very unique perspective. And the edge, I think translates directly from their technical understanding of a problem they had to tackle within one of these technology companies. And so what that does is it opens their eyes to this really unique set of problems that they know can't be solved, but they understand the technical limitations of the current solutions as to why those problems can't be solved. And they kind of have somewhat of an idea about the perspective of, hey, this is how I think this problem could be solved. But maybe there's one aspect that's missing. So maybe it's the compute horsepower or maybe there's a certain problem that hasn't been solved in an architecture side, there's something that's just missing. And so they know what to look for and then when they see it, they can pounce on it immediately. And I think to your earlier point around being inside of a company, you understand two things that are really important. If you're in one of the big hyperscalers or you're in one of the big tech companies that's really known for producing great employees, you know what excellence looks like in employees. You do know what a teams look like. You also know what an organization looks like and how that organization should scale and some of the challenges that it's going to get. So I think this new batch of GPS just has a really unique perspective that allows them to get in early. Now the flip side is being able to scale and keep that ownership stake as the companies now move so quickly through the financing rounds. That's the biggest challenge that we've seen. The fact that they don't have the ability to hold on to that pro rata like they used to. And look, GPs were very creative even within the last 10 years. Right. If I look back to some of the deals that we were doing Pre Covid, the GPs were doing things like going out and raising SPVs and getting existing LPs and new LPs to come on and help them keep as much of their pro rata as possible. Then they graduated to doing kind of these massive funds that were just for kind of follow on investments. But now that's much more difficult because you've got this combination of these rounds are increasing in size so fast, plus you've got the bigger shops that come down earlier and earlier. And so those big shops are kind of already there and ready to scale up. So this is the challenge that a lot of these firms have now.

Goblin with us. What's going on? How you doing? How's it going? Welcome to the show. Where. Where in the world are you? Oh, yeah, I'm in. I'm in Sweden. Oh, cool. There you go. Oh, sorry for night time. Thank you for staying up so late. Please introduce yourself and what you're working on specifically. It's fascinating. Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm Zach, better known online as Gossip Goblin. I make some AI videos that you guys hopefully have seen. Yeah. And I have a feature length film coming out in a little over two months. Yeah. What was the process for making the feature length film? What do you like? I imagine there's AI tooling that can help at every step of the way, but it feels like there's still an incredible amount of human involvement. Did you start with a title? Did you start with a concept, a genre, a log line? Like, what was your process? Yeah. So contrary to popular belief, you're not yet able to just type in make me a movie into a box. Although there's plenty of people trying to make that happen. No, I mean, depending on how you look at it, this is like four years in the making, maybe. I mean, I've been making AI videos since that was really a possibility like four years ago. And at first it looked pretty terrible. Um, but I thought there was a. There, there, um, that there was like actual potential to do narrative storytelling beyond just like Will Smith spaghetti memes, or, you know, just Twitter clickbait. Yeah. And I'd say about a year and a half ago is when the tools really hit this inflection point where it became clear that you can actually make stuff that people want to watch beyond just like the shock value of, you know, this new taboo technology. So, yeah, I've been kind of building out this sci fi universe for several years now in public on social media, and it's garnered enough interest that I was able to quit my day job, start a little studio, hire a team, and for the last eight months, nine months, we've been working on this feature film which has been coming out premiering in two months. Yeah. December 4th. Pretty good, pretty good timeline relative to. But, but talk about talk. What can you share about the movie? Like concept and general story? Yeah, so, you know, everything I do, it's like, I would say leaning on pretty dark, sardonic, twisted sci fi stuff. And there's, you know, there's a bit of like an allegory edge to it. It's not just like wild out there sci fi. Hopefully it's not too on the nose. But I think one of the fun parts about AI is the actual like I still write the script or myself and a co writer write the script. We used a dozen voice actors in the film. We have musicians scoring the film. We use fully artists for the sound effects. We have a whole post production crew. So it's not just me in my dark basement in Sweden. There's like a full crew of people. And so I'd like to believe there's still that level of like craft and detail and authorship involved. We haven't just relegated this to, you know, pipeline of tools to just render the shit out. But it's been a pretty arduous process to put it all together. But even with that said, the actual production time is still pretty fast and lean relative to like how you would make a sci fi epic of this scope in the past. So I'd like to believe that the topics are like a lot timelier and more tuned to the present. And that's all paired with like we put out 10 minutes of short form content a week. So that's not quite the same caliber, but that keeps us kind of relevant and front and center. And now we've caught Elon's attention recently with some videos that may or may not have to do with Claude's wet lab in San Francisco. To me, one of the biggest opportunities at the moment is taking something like a very timely topic and then applying something that. Creating something that looks like it took months and months and months to produce. Yeah, and I mean South. South park, like part of why south park always was like super topical and would become part of the conversation. It was like the first thing out of Hollywood that was like scripted, that was commentating on what was happening in the. In the relative. Yeah, it's remarkable. Yeah, totally. So I mean, I kind of break out the content into like the ultra short form. So it's those three minute clips and the goal there is like, it's part of this kind of sci fi transhumanist universe we're building out. But you know, I feel like San Francisco like writes the plots for me at this point. Like the shit I come up with is not even sci fi by next week. So it makes. Are you a doomer or a techno optimize? You know what, or you. Both. I can, I can be both. I can say, look, I think there's a 90% chance we survive. Okay. Right. That gets me fired up. Way more fired up. 10%. I'm not a doomer. I'm not a doomer. But I'm also not like. But you're calling from a bunk, Pollyanna. Are you calling in from a bunky? I mean, Sweden's kind of a bunker on its own. It's just. It's so off the grid. Like, who's going to bother wiping it out, you know?

Intellectual property like they look exactly like T. Why is Tyler not back in school doing the internship in history? He turned it down. I turned it down. He actually turned it down just to grind for this. Yeah, well, things will never be chill again. The doomers who shape the AI safety freak out. The Wall Street Journal has an article here about some early anthropic employees who are considering buying remote land in the United States to roll to relocate to. If AI goes seriously wrong, they're getting bunkies. They go in bunker mode. Employees also trained doomsday scenarios and preparation plans in a private slack. While anthropic workers have their own office space inside Berkeley's Constellation AI safety community. The wider safety scene has discussed iodine pills, remote islands, and electromagnetically shielded desert bunkers. Interesting that no one's trying to go to space. I would have thought that would have been. That was George Hotz's original pitch. He was like, if AI goes crazy, I want to be. I want to be on a. Put me on starship spaceship leaving the light cone as fast so AI can't catch up to you. Blast shield behind you, and then you'll be safe from the intelligence. You could just say he's not very AGI pill because obviously the super intelligence would just figure out a way to just go faster than the speed of light and catch up. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if you go the maximum speed, they can't catch up ever. Right. So then you are safe, but you got to accelerate to exactly 1C. This is like an interesting example of like an actual answer to the teller Cowan question, which is like, if you really care about doom, why aren't you making financial decisions? Yeah. Cover up, get a lot of debt and buy a bunker. Buy remote land with a massive mortgage. Yeah, because usually the answer to the doomer thing is like, well, I'm not going to be able to get to my bunker because the, you know, bio terrorism will already have killed me or something. This is interesting instantiation of this. The thing that always. The thing that always just like breaks down with these scenarios is like, you know, every. Every guy is like, sort of played out the scenario in their head. Right. And where are you going to be? Where are you going to be best off in some, like, remote area where you don't know any people that actually live there. Right. Let's pick a. Let's pick Wyoming. Right. You really think that the world is like falling apart and you're just gonna head over to Wyoming and set up shop In a community that knows you've been building your bunky there. Yeah. Right. And, and they're just gonna be like, oh yeah, like there's a bunker over there. It has everything you need in it to survive. And you know, you know what they. But, but you know, they paid us to set it up years ago. And let's not. We shouldn't just go occupy said bunker for ourselves. So the prepper community has a term for this. They say, don't be a loot drop. It's a loot. It's a loot drop. You're a loot drop if you do this. If you go and set up a really luxurious bunker with a bunch of supplies, but you don't actually know the community. You're not integrated into like everyone else. Yeah, the fabric. So ideally it's like you want your team and everyone else to all be in it together and so that, you know, there's no, there's no squabbling. But yeah, you can just set up a loot drop. And then everyone's like, oh yeah, I installed a crazy safe over there. Let's go get that as soon as the crisis happens. Yeah, I mean there's a whole bunch of fun game theory you can play through there. I would personally, I think we need to regulate because I would personally, I would hate to be in a self defense situation with a bunch of rogue agents. And imagine if all the waymos went rogue and we were just forced because of self defense reasons. You and all your best friends just drive around and just have to shoot them out of the windows of our cars all day long. Like that would be a nightmare. That'd be a nightmare. You would never, you've never. Even if I was in a self defense situation, I would do it, but it would, it would, it would pain me. Totally. Totally. Yeah, totally. Let me tell you about console.com. console builds AI agents that automate 70% of it. HR and finance support, giving employees instant resolution for access requests and password resets. Also a journal piece on what else happened on Jan Tollen Holland, Skype founder. Skype founder, Big investor, early investor in the labs.

Way where they could build like an Expedia type business where they're earning fees on top of booking. We got to give a round of applause to Tate Ackert who says we're so early. Everyone will be using a full time assistant of compute like this within a year. And the reason I'm clapping is because it's a parking ticket. Not just any car. That instinct took care of. It's for a blue R8. Blue R8. And I just thought this was a wonderful way to sort of share wonderful car. Hopefully. Yeah, hopefully. It's a V10 with the gated manual, but very underrated. Underrated car. What is this? This is a very detailed parking ticket. But let's get taken to this. Paid 50% on your personal visa. Pretty cool. Like we get it, dude. We get it. You got a parking ticket in your R8. We get it. Yeah. Anyway, let me tell you about MongoDB. What's the only thing faster than the AI market your business on MongoDB? Don't just build AI, own the data platform.

When he gets elected, they basically hire an actor to come and be him for four years, for the entire tenure, because they're going to be doing the cold open with him like basically every other week. And so maybe there's a little bit of camaraderie. They're like, hey, we've both been through this, Dario. It's not so bad. It's actually kind of, kind of funny. Or, or maybe they're both like, yeah, the news really is fake. Yeah, we got. But yeah, as, as, as critical as it is, at the same time, I think it's something that all founders should aspire to. Right. When you're starting your company and, well, where do you, where do you see yourself? You know, where do you see yourself in the company and getting absolutely skewered. Getting skewered on the biggest stage. Perhaps. Perhaps. Andrew Curran says President Trump has personally invited Dario to a private dinner tonight. That was yesterday. So that happened on Sunday night. This would be the first time they've actually met. One on one, big chance to patch things up or crash the plane into the mountain. They're actually running it back tomorrow night. Tuesday night there's a dinner in D.C. for all the AI leaders with the White House again. So, I mean, the pace of this stuff is really, really, really picking up. There's, there's meetings every, every week now, basically. And yeah, I mean, there's lots to work through and no one is going to get to put their, their head in the sand. Not even the comedians at snl. They will have to chime in as well as the politicians and the lab leaders. And so, yeah, despite Dario being excluded, it seemed like he was excluded from that White House dinner with Xi Jinping and that basically every top tech leader was invited to. He was noticeably absent. President Trump, you know, followed up with a one on one dinner with Dario to hear his side of the story. And I wonder what type of leaks or reporting will come out of that. You would think that that would be going on today. Maybe there will be some news or maybe they'll put out a joint statement. Maybe everything went really well. But I mean, or joint. You could see Dario sign up for Truth Social. Sure. Or ufc. Courtside. Or Ringside? Ringside. Pretty electric. Ufc. Yeah. With, with the dawn. Yeah, I could see it. Nitro circus. Yeah, doing the Nitro Circus thing before ufc. I want to see Dana White, Dario Trump. Yeah, just squatted up. You think you'd be doing slap boxing before too? Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. You got to do a full suite if you if you go all in anyway. So there's also interesting timing that I don't know if this. How timed up this was, but every day there's another proposal for how to manage AI safety. This one feels like the most formal concepting exercise from a group of top AI researchers. It's published through the University of Cambridge and it's a good list that pulls from all over the industry. It doesn't feel like there's any lab that has, like a finger on the scale. Not that that really matters. I feel like if Demis comes out with some great thing and anthropic and OpenAI sign on and, you know, there's a lot of energy, like, people will just be like, this is great, we should take it seriously. But this one was, this one was interesting because it was notably, like, diverse in the researchers. I didn't even know that there were this many researchers that didn't look at that. It didn't work at labs by now, but there in fact are a lot that signed on. So Geoffrey Hinton.

Um, the. The. I. The. The most viral video I saw over the weekend was the. The parody of Dario Amade on SNL that felt like it really took over the timeline. Uh, Martin Casado said, honestly downplayed how ridiculous the rhetoric and broader situation is. Uh, it was a funny clip. There were a bunch of interesting nuance. I mean, first, it's like, okay, clearly the. The. The AI rhetoric and the public discourse is getting to, like, a. A new height, to the point where, like, a lab leader of a private company can be. Can even be parodied on snl because the audience understands who that is. So it's interesting to see that, like, okay, yes, like, Dario's done enough on Oprah and CNN and NBC and ABC and all the major news networks to be relevant to the broader audience, because it only really works. Like, you can't. Like, they could never pair. There's a lot of people in tech that we know that wouldn't work as, you know, SNL punching bags. But he's made it. He's made it. It says a lot that the, like, the sweater vest thing is iconic enough to be, like, a part of a character. I wonder if he'll stick with that or switch it up, because it's not his leather jacket yet. It's not his Hawaiian T shirt yet. But there is such value into leaning into, like, a consistent thing. But I don't know. We'll see. The interesting wrinkle here is that while Dario is at the point where he is enough of a name that they can do this bit and make jokes, and it's relevant to the SNL audience, obviously it went way more viral on X than I think it probably did on YouTube. But when Michael Che is introducing the segment, he sort of stumbles over Dario's name a little bit, like he's reading it from the cue cards, and he says, like, this is Dario. And then he pauses, and it seems like maybe Dario Amade is not fully a household name in the SNL writers room yet in the sense that they're like, okay, who is this guy? Let's look him up. Okay, get him on the cue cards. I don't know. Maybe I'm reading into it too much. But it felt like this was certainly like, a crossing the chasm moment, like, the first time everyone gets to know Dario, but very, very funny. And it really illuminates a little bit of, like, the complexity of the discourse, the irony of saying, you know, somebody's gotta save me from me, basically. But let's play a little Bit of it. See what you think. You know, you know, you know. Thanks for having me, Michael. I may have been alarming in my recent interviews, but I want to assure you that if we can pressure lawmakers to create guardrails, we will be able to. Stop me. Dario, can you just explain how your company isn't going to kill us? So. So, so, so, so, so. Not the most flattering depiction. That's a really hard question. It shouldn't be, you know. Come on, Dario. Come on, Daario, you can do this. Is that an explicit reference to, like, the Ring? Like Gollum? Like, where the voice is in your head, the devil and I, its maker? What? That seems like it. Right? No. Well. Oh, yeah. AI is the Devil. And Iotically written about this extensively. And we are all on the same page here. We do not condone what we are doing. It's very, very tough to thread the needle on this message. Cancer. Yeah. So, put it this way. In 10 years, there is about a 10% chance that cancer won't be a problem for anyone. I don't like the way you're saying that, buddy. I mean, how is this look, so. Che, it's simple. If you could drink a milk that made your life easier, but there was a 10% chance it killed you, would you drink the milk? No. Really? Yes. Well, what if there was a button that when you push it, everyone dies? Would you push the button? No. Really? Dario, are you okay? I'm sort of blacking out every time I talk. I'd love to start this interview over. Or better yet, you know, my whole life. All right, Dario, just tell us, what are the pros of AI? All right, land the plane, Dario. I can't. You can. We can hear you, Dario. No one can hear you, Dario. Say something reassuring. Like what? Try the milk thing then. Is milk a reference to something or is that just random? Not a weapon, a tool for building weapons. And I urge you to urge me to stop. D everybody. Ridiculous. Let me tell you about the New York Stock Exchange. Want to change the world? Raise capital at the New York Stock Exchange? No, but yeah, a bunch of downstream stuff from this. I mean, obviously, getting pilloried by snl. Not the first time it's happened to attack. Yeah, right. Right of passage. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. They've done this for all sorts of people. Also, there's a number of techniques. I think part of what. Yeah, going. Going pretty hard on him in some ways. That being said, he's always, like, incredibly fascinating to listen to, and he has incredible clarity of. Of thought. And he does at times he'll, like, pause, you know, in a way that would maybe scare normal people a little bit. But the thing that I think he can do that will have the biggest impact is stop. I agree. No, I actually like the. I like the whatever kind of shawl sweater thing that is. Is it Brunello? Probably, Yeah. I think someone clocked it. Right. It's Brunello. So, you know, it's nice. And I feel like a power tie, some shoulder padding would go a long way. Anyway, the biggest thing he can do is to stop smiling when he's talking about really bad, devastating things. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm sure that that's something. Yeah, there's something to be learned from, like, the way, like, Fed Chairman speak or the way, you know, the head of the FDA or the head of the military speaks. Like, we've talked to some of these folks and, like, they're very austere, very serious, and our show's very light hearted, and we kind of have to, like, click into a different mode when you're talking to somebody like, like a Michael Kratzios or someone who's like, dealing with the weight of something big and puts up a wall that is. It is a performance, but it serves a very valuable purpose, which is like, I take this very seriously. Or you can go the opposite way, the Mark Zuckerberg way, and rip it and just be like, yeah, I'm having fun with AI, which is honestly, like, it feels like people are like, yeah, I kind of want that energy a little bit. Just give me the white pill. But I don't know. Yeah. And again, I don't think that Zuck's approach is at all appealing to the people actually pushing the frontier. No, right. No. Like, no one's gonna. Yeah, no one's gonna take. No. No one. No. Researchers, like, take. I mean, there are. There are some reasons dating. Dating back to basically Damas being like, you know, that moment where he realizes Zuck is just as excited about VR as he is AI. Right. Anyways, I hope that maybe VR will be bigger than AI Jordy. Maybe. Wouldn't you like that? Wouldn't you like that, John? I would love that. But, yeah. Anyway, so from SNL headed straight into dinner with the President Sunday. I mean, he wasn't actually at snl, but yeah, it's like, you wake up to that on Sunday morning and you have to imagine that Trump sees it. But Trump has been both. He's hosted. He's hosted SNL multiple times, and he's also been made fun of on SNL for years. Like, when he gets elected, they basically hire an actor to come and be him for four years, for the entire tenure, because they're going to be doing the cold open with him, like, basically every other week. And so maybe there's a little bit of camaraderie. They're like, hey, we've both been through this, Dario. It's not so bad. It's actually kind of. Kind of funny. Or maybe they're both like, yeah, the news really is fake. But, yeah, as critical as it is, at the same time, I think it's something that all founders should aspire to. Right. When you're starting your company and investors say, well, where do you see yourself? Where do you see yourself in the company? And.

The most viral video I saw over the weekend was the parody of Dario Amadeo on snl. That felt like it really took over the timeline. Martin Casado said, honestly downplayed how ridiculous the rhetoric and broader situation is. It was a funny clip. There were a bunch of interesting nuance. I mean, first, it's like, okay, clearly the. The. The AI rhetoric and the public discourse is getting to, like, a new height, to the point where, like, a lab leader of a private company can be. Can even be parodied on SNL because the audience understands who that is. So it's interesting to see that, like, okay, yes, like, Dario's done enough on Oprah and CNN and NBC and ABC and all the major news networks to be relevant to the broader audience. And because it only really works, like, you can't. Like, they could never pair. There's a lot of people in tech that we know that wouldn't work as, you know, SNL punching bags. But he's made it. He's made it. It says a lot that the, like, the sweater vest thing is iconic enough to be, like, a part of a character. I wonder if he'll stick with that or switch it up because it's not his leather jacket yet. It's not his Hawaiian T shirt yet. But there is such value into leaning into, like, a consistent thing. But I don't know. We'll see. The interesting wrinkle here is that while Dario is at the point where he is enough of a name that they can do this bit and make jokes, and it's relevant to the SNL audience, obviously it went way more viral on X than I think it probably did on YouTube. But when Michael Che is introducing the segment, he sort of stumbles over Dario's name a little bit, like he's reading it from the cue cards, and he says, like, this is Dario. And then he pauses, and it seems like maybe Dario Amadeus is not fully a household name in the SNL writers room yet in the sense that they were like, okay, who is this guy? Let's look him up. Okay, get him on the cue cards. I don't know. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but it felt like this was certainly like a crossing the chasm moment, like the first time everyone gets to know Dario, but very, very funny. And it really illuminates a little bit of, like, the complexity of the discourse, the irony of saying, somebody's got to save me from me, basically. But let's play a little bit of it. See, See. See what you think you Know. You know. You know. Thanks for having me, Michael. I may have been alarming in my recent interviews, but I want to assure you that if we can pressure lawmakers to create guardrails, we will be able to. Stop me. Dario, can you just explain how your company isn't going to kill us? So. So, so, so, so, so. Not the most flattering depiction. That's a really hard question. It shouldn't be, you know. Come on, Daario. Come on, Daario. You can do this. Is that an explicit reference to, like, the Ring? Like Gollum? Like, where the voice is in your head, AI is the devil, and I its maker? What? It seems like it. Right. No. Well. Oh, yeah. Look, AI is the devil and I. It's about this extensively, and we are all on the same page here. We do not condone what we are doing. It's very, very tough to thread the needle on this message. Cancer. Yeah. So, put it this way. In 10 years, there is about a 10% chance that cancer won't be a problem for anyone. I don't like the way you're saying that, buddy. I mean, how is this a look? So, Che, it's simple. If you could drink a milk that made your life easier, but there was a 10% chance it killed you, would you drink the milk? No. Really? Yes. Well, what if there was a button that when you push it, everyone dies? Would you push the button? No. Really? Dario, are you okay? I'm sort of blacking out every time I talk. I'd love to start this interview over. Or better yet, you know, my whole life. All right, Dario, just tell us, what are the pros of AI? All right, Land at the plane, Dario. I can't. You can. We can hear you, Dario. No one can hear you, Dario. Say something reassuring. Like what? Try the milk thing. Is milk a reference to something or is that just random? A tool for building weapons. And I urge you to urge me to stop. Dario. Amade, everybody.