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Which is probably around 55, 60, I guess. I actually don't know where that is. So you can get an Audi Q8, which feels much more like a premium product for the same price, and it's just a lot more functional. How much did that Cullinan sell for in cars and vids? That was like. It had like, 200,000 miles, did you say? The one that we were recommending people get is like a call booth for their office? We were recommending that. I don't remember that probably. I mean, we broadly were recommending. Picking up an old Continent GT instead of a phone booth. Yeah. Okay, so a Rolls Royce Cullinan Black Badge 2020. So it's only five years old. Sold for $170,000, just barely twice the price of the ID buzz. But it has 114,000 miles on it. Can you imagine putting 114,000 miles on a Rolls Royce Cullinan in five years? I can. I would love to. I mean, that's. That's so. So many miles. But. But people were debating this saying, like, okay, yeah, if you're. If you're going. If you're putting that many miles, like, it has to be highway miles. So they're not hard miles. Like, it's probably fine. Like, and. And Rolls Royce, you know, has a bad reputation as being, like, you know, in the shop all the time. But if it made it this far, like, maybe it'll make it another 100,000 miles and it, like, actually stays in good condition. So maybe it was the steel of a century at 170. Who knows? Could have been bombing around in a. In a Rolls Royce Cullinan. Anything else on the VW bus thing? I still think it's. I just think it's. It's. It is. It is hard that they price it so high. Maybe. Maybe the opportunity is more like. Like. Like Tesla just needs more different trim levels, but then needs to bring the manufacturing prowess to deliver things at more affordable prices because, like, how different is the world? If the cybertruck is cheaper, does it even need to be. Should it stay up there and be this Halo car? Yeah. Yeah. The interesting thing is Cybertruck operating the Halo car. Somebody who lives. I live in Malibu. I bought a Mercedes metric because I wanted, like, a family van, something I could drive around surfing with, et cetera. And I have zero interest in the Volkswagen electric bus. And that's. That's an issue. The other thing is, if I was thinking about car, if I wanted, like, if I wanted a surf, like a car just to like trash and take to the beach and take surfing. You can get a raptor for like 70 raptors. It's like obviously very different, but if you're a dad that wants like a kind of a car, you can like beat up and do a lot of things in and throw the kids in. Do you want to drive this like novelty VW that's going to depreciate like 50% in a year or get a wrap? I think it can be a very cute mom car. And, and it can definitely like if you look at Volkswagen. But does a mom really want, do they really want the, the buzz over like a Q7? No. But isn't Audi a Volkswagen product too? Yeah. So there's totally a flow where you go in for the buzz thinking like maybe I'll get the quirky thing and then you walk out with a Q7. Or, or you walk out with an atlas, which is basically a Q7 too. Or you upgrade, you get a Urus Cayenne Turbo gt. Is that a Volkswagen product too? Yeah, Porsche is Volkswagen. At least the, at least the Cayenne GT looks different, you know, but part of the reason that the VW bus is, is like so legendary is like it was an icon and they spent a lot of time building that brand. They ran a lot of out of home advertising. They probably would have loved Ad Quick back in the 60s when they were pushing the buzz. I mean they were looking for ad. Quote out of home advertising made easy to say goodbye to the headaches of out of home advertising. Only Ad Quick combines technology, out of home expertise and data to enable efficient, seamless ad buying across the globe. And let me also tell you about wander. If you're, if you're wandering around with your ID buzz or your car summer. You can 12:39pm Pacific. You can book a wander today. Today with inspiring views. Yeah. Five star amenities. And you can hotel graded amenities, of course. Dreamy beds, top tier cleaning and 247 concierge service. It's a vacation home. But better folks go get on a wander and we have our guest in the studio. What are we doing, Jordy? Deep diving, tropics, A bunch of things. So Barb, let's bring him in. Welcome to the stream. How you doing? There he is. It's great to have you in the temple. What's going on? I hope you don't mind if I. Do a shot before we start doing. What are you drinking? Johnson olive oil. Oh, Brian Johnson olive oil shots. Okay. There we go. Is this. That's insane. I love it? How does it taste?

Over 20 or 30 years, you develop like this massive collection of trinkets. For you, it might be horse accessories. I got you those horse electrolytes you can get just more and more. You're not the first person to get me horse stuff. I told you. David used to get me mane and tail, the horse shampoo, just as a joke because I'm built like a horse. I guess he thought it was very funny. He loved it. That's great. So, yeah, maybe, maybe cane and tail. By the way, Zach's really into the horsepower metaphor. You know, he. He. He's like obsessed with horses and stuff. You know, everyone's gotta have a brand. Anyway, what were you saying? Oh, I said, nice new haircut. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Horse could never. A horse could never. Horse could never. The horse hair is strong. It was breaking the scissors. We broke multiple pairs, but we did get it cut. It's thick. It's thick hair over here. But you know who else has like the, the. What's it called? It's like the grandma elephant problem or whatever. This. This woman who has this house has like a insane collection of pigs because she started collecting pigs. Everyone gave her pig stuff. Somebody said that Peter Thiel has the same thing with Tolkien. Named a few companies after Tolkien and now everyone's like, everything you do must be Tolkien referenced. Like, if you are at all involved or whatever, like, I'm getting you another copy of Tolkien. And like, you know, this person was kind of commenting like, you know, like, he might not watch the movie every night. You know, he might just be like, generally a fan of that and then also a fan of other things, but. You can be a fan of all. But people tend to collapse the meme around you down to just like, oh, you're, you're not just. You're not just into Tolkien and other things. You're like the premier collector of Tolkien stuff. Yeah. So. Well, in other news, we have a post from Brother Reggie James has been on the show before. He says, I need TVPN to bring back Cougar Night at the Rosewood. Has it gone anywhere? Someone needs. If you're in Silicon Valley, go to the Rosewood and report. We gotta ask Prank for exits. He gives some good coverage on. Yeah, he might be aware, but when we were at the Rosewood for staying there the night before YC demo day, you remember overhearing this, like, the most. There was a man and a woman, like a table away from us having the most deranged conversation, the most Rosewood coated conversation of all time, where I think she Was divorced or going through divorce. Talking about, like, breaking down, loudly breaking down their entire financial situation and being like, basically, like, I'm good because we have Carrie in this fund. That's definitely gonna hit in the next. Never have I wanted Clearview AI more. Are you familiar with Clearview AI? Got the software to identify. Yeah, you take a picture of someone and it scans the Internet. It tells you immediately who they are. And it's, like, controversial. People are like, oh, this is like, you know, total, like, surveillance state stuff. But I would have loved to know what VC she was talking about, because it was an absolute. There was other stuff. It was like, oh, yeah, I've been checking our credit card, and we're just. Seeing, like, he's hitting no in every city. Absolutely wild. Well, Ryan has a good story here responding to Reggie's post. He says, one time in 2012, my co founder and I crashed and burned so hard in a pitch on Sandhill. The partners wrapped with, look, it's. It's Cougar Night. You guys would actually do pretty well there. So that's the beauty of Sandhill Road. You could crash and burn. I don't even get this. I don't get this post. Like, why would they do well if they're. Well, like, maybe. Maybe, like, they're just crashed and burned. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Like, the company has crashed and burned or. No, they didn't do well on the pitch. Okay, so he's like, maybe you can marry Rich. Yeah, that's what he said. Okay, got it. That's hilarious. A couple of studs. Head over to. Head over to the roadway Rosewood. Anyway, underrated strategy. Go to the Roadwood, go to the Rosewood, talk to the cougars, Sell them your product. If you're an sdr, just go and pull out Adio, customer relationship magic. Having adio on deck for Cougar Night is crazy. Do you keep the Cougars in the CRM or no? But they're potential, like, leads, right? Yeah, for sure. If you're selling to a VC and there's a Cougar there who's. Maybe you could sell SaaS to that VC and it would reinspire him to grind harder and save the relationship. Save the relationship. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. Nothing like the joy of implementing a new B2B SaaS product in your workflow, in your everyday workflow. If you do that, that could just reinvigorate your entire life. Yeah, you're just at Cougar Night. Just can't stop talking to the cougars about agentic workflows. For saving your marriage. No, you're just like, why would I want to go?

Was Madeline's collection of pigs, Stuffed animals, ornaments, sculptures, and paintings. It started with just a few pigs and grew to become her thing to friends and family. Kept adding to the trope. The family plans to auction much of the home's contents. Have you heard about this? What's it called? It's like the elephant problem or the giraffe problem. There's a name for it where you make golden retrievers your thing. And then everyone's like, oh, what should we get you? Oh, you like pigs. And then it snowballs. And then everyone gets you so many that over 20 or 30 years, you develop, like, this massive collection of trinkets. For you, it might be horse accessories. I got you those horse electrolytes. You can get just more and more supplements. You're not the first person to get me horse stuff. I told you, David used to get me mane and tail, the horse shampoo, just as a joke because I'm built like a horse. I guess he thought it was very funny. He loved it. That's great. So, yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe. By the way, Zach's really into the horsepower metaphor. You know, he's, like, obsessed with horses and stuff. You know, everyone's gotta have a brand. Anyway, what were you saying? Oh, I said, nice new haircut. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Horse could never. A horse could never. Horse could never. The horse hair is strong. It was breaking the scissors. We broke multiple pairs, but we did get it cut. It's thick. It's thick hair over here. But you know who else has, like, the. What's it called? It's like the grandma elephant problem or whatever. This. This woman who has this house has, like, an insane collection of pigs because she started collecting pigs. Everyone gave her pig stuff. Somebody said that Peter Thiel is the same thing with Tolkien. Named a few companies after Tolkien, and now everyone's like, everything you do must be Tolkien referenced. Like, if you are at all involved or whatever, like, I'm getting you another copy of Tolkien. And like, you know, this person was kind of commenting, like, you know, like, he might not watch the movie every night. You know, he might just be, like, generally a fan of that and then also a fan of other things. But you can be a fan of multiple things. People tend to collapse the meme around you down to just like, oh, you're. You're not just. You're not just into Tolkien and other things. You're like the premier collector of Tolkien stuff. Yeah. So. Well, other news. We have a post from brother Reggie. James has been on the show before. He Says I need TVPN to bring back Cougar Night at the Rosewood. Has it gone anywhere? Someone needs. If you're in Silicon Valley, go to the Rosewood and report. We gotta ask. We gotta ask. Prank for exits. He might be aware. Give some good coverage on. Yeah, he might be aware. But we were. When we were at the Rosewood for staying there the night before YC demo day. You remember overhearing this? Like the most. The most. There was a man and a woman like a table away from us having the most deranged conversation, the most Rosewood coated conversation of all time, where I think she was divorced or going through divorce, talking about breaking down, loudly breaking down their entire financial situation and being like, basically like, I'm good because we have Carrie in this fun that's definitely gonna hit in the next. Never have I wanted Clearview AI more. Are you familiar with Clearview AI, the software to identify. Yeah, you take a picture of someone and it scans the Internet. It tells you immediately who they are. And it's like very controversial. And people are like, oh, this is like total surveillance state stuff. But I would have loved to know what VC she was talking about because it was an absolute. There was other stuff. It was like, oh, yeah, I've been. Checking our credit card just seeing like. He'S hitting no in every city. Absolutely wild. Well, Ryan has a good story here. Responding to Reggie's post. He says, one time in 2012, my co founder and I crashed and burned so hard in a pitch on Sandhill. The partners wrapped with, look, it's. It's Cougar Night. You guys would actually do pretty well there. So that's the beauty of Sand Hill Road. You could crash and burn. I don't even get this. I don't get this post. Like, why, why would they do well if they're. Well, like maybe. Maybe like they're just crashed and burned. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Like the company has crashed and burned or something. No, they didn't do well on the pitch. Okay, so he's like, maybe you can marry Rich. Yeah, that's what he's saying. Okay, got it. That's hilarious. Couple of studs. Head over to the roadway. Rosewood. Anyway, underrated strategy. Go to the Roadwood, go to the Rosewood, talk to the cougars, sell them your product. If you're an sdr, just go and pull out. Adio customer relationship magic. Having adio on deck for Cougar night is crazy. Alpha, do you keep the Cougars in the CRM? No. But they're potential leads, right? For sure. If you're selling to vc and there's a cougar there who's.

Just one guy, and I had a. There was a room for a. There was room for a washer dryer, but I didn't have a washer dryer because we, like, send out the. You made it a present wrapping. I made it a present wrapping station, and I put a little table there, and you could, like, work from it. But it was, like, in the bathroom, and I was like, this is my version of a present wrapping room. Spelling. Yeah. It's like I'm aesthetically living in spelling manner. So. The Katz has spent years renovating the estate before moving. Normal story here. The couple filled the home with art and collectibles from around the world. The game room includes antique billboards, billiards table, and vintage arcade games. Also on display was Madeline's collection of pigs, stuffed animals, ornaments, sculptures, and paintings. It became. It started with just a few pigs and grew to become her thing to friends and family. Kept adding to the trope. The family plans to auction much of the home's contents. Have you heard about this? What's it called? It's like the elephant problem of the giraffe problem. There's a name for it where you make golden retrievers your thing. And then everyone's like, oh, what should we get you? Oh, you like pigs? And then it snowballs. And then everyone gets you so many that over 20 or 30 years, you develop, like, this massive collection of trinkets. For you, it might be horse accessories. I got you those horse electrolytes. You can get just more and more supplements. You're not the first person to get me horse stuff. I told you, David used to get me man and tail the horse shampoo just as a joke because I'm built like a horse. I guess he thought it was very funny. He loved it. That's great. So, yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe. By the way, into the horsepower metaphor. You know, he. He, he. He's like, obsessed with horses and stuff. You know, everyone's got to have a brand. Anyway, what were you saying? Oh, I said, nice new haircut. Oh, yeah. Thank you. A horse could never. A horse could never. The horse could never. The horse hair is strong. It was breaking the scissors. We broke multiple pairs, but we did get it cut. It's thick hair over here. But you know who else has, like, the. What's it called? It's like the grandma elephant problem or whatever. This woman who has this house has, like, an insane collection of pigs. Because she started collecting pigs, everyone gave her pig stuff. Somebody said that Peter Thiel has the same thing with Tolkien. Named a few Companies after Tolkien and now everyone's like, everything you do must be Tolkien referenced. Like if you are at all involved or whatever, like, I'm getting you another copy of Tolkien. And like, you know, this person was kind of commenting like, you know, like, he might not watch the movie every night. You know, he might just be like, generally a fan of that and then also a fan of other things. But you can be a fan of. People tend to collapse the meme around you down to just like, oh, you're, you're not just. You're not just into Tolkien and other things. You're like the premier collector of Tolkien stuff. Well, other news. We have a post from brother. Reggie James has been on the show before. He says, I need TBPN to bring back Cougar Night at the Rosewood. Has it gone anywhere someone needs. If you're in Silicon Valley, go to the Rosewood and report that. We gotta ask Prank for exits. He gives some good coverage on. Yeah, he might be aware. But when we were at the Rosewood for staying there the night before YC demo day, you remember overhearing this, like the most, the most. There was a man and a woman like a table away from us having the most deranged conversation, the most Rosewood coated conversation of all time, where I think she was divorced or going through divorce, talking about like breaking down, loudly breaking down their entire financial situation and being like, basically like, I'm good because we have Carrie in this fund that's. That's definitely gonna hit in the next. Never have I wanted Clearview AI more. Are you familiar with Clearview AI? Like the software to identify. Yeah, you take a picture of someone and it scans the Internet and it tells you immediately who they are. And it's like very controversial that people are like, oh, this is like, you know, total like surveillance state stuff. But I would have loved to know what VC she was talking about because it was an absolute. There was other stuff. It was like, oh, yeah, I've been checking our credit card and we're just. Seeing like he's hitting. No, like every night in every city. Absolutely wild. Well, Ryan has a good story here responding to Reggie's post. It says, one time in 2012, my co founder and I crashed and burned so hard in a pitch on Sandhill. The partners wrapped with, look, it's Cougar Night. You guys would actually do pretty well there. So that's the beauty of Sandhill Road. You could crash and burn. I don't get this post. Why would they do. Well if they're. Well, maybe they're just crashed and burned. The company has crashed.

We don't know how to patent in this country anymore. We don't know how to patent. It's completely a lost art. Actually the person who bought my first company was a patent guy. He went to college and studied chemical engineering and built a bunch of patents for lubricating petroleum as it flows through oil pipelines. And he came up with some chemistry, patented it and then he was like in college I was getting like 100k a month from licensing my patents or something like that. Like sick. Yeah. There was a time when it, when it seemed like the play was to develop technology, patent it and license it to companies. And then now if an entrepreneur comes to you with an idea, it's a bad signal. And they say, yeah, like I'm working on patents. It almost always is a huge bear signal. Yeah, it's like it is such a lost art. We don't develop something and then capitalize on it yourself. Yeah. Because it is like you can definitely, if you get it right, you can make a lot more money from delivering the technology or whatever it is via your own product and capturing that incremental margin. It's interesting because you'd think that the passive income Bros would be super into patents. Right. They'd be like just become the world expert in a certain field, get a PhD in it, spend 10 years researching the frontier and then develop an innovation, patent it and then just cash flow free, you know, lifestyle forever. I do have one. I do have one friend that had something like this where he developed this supplement and effectively licensed it to a company. And was has just been getting millions of dollars a year for his coming up on like 15 years. Did I tell you I have a patent? A big patent guy. Maybe it's not a lobster. I don't make any like cash flow off of it though. But I have a patent for breakers. The capsule. I can hear that. I don't even have the iem. I can hear you. Yeah, I have a patent on the capsule pouch. The capsule nicotine pouch. Fantastic innovation. Invented John Coogan the inventor. I love it. Anyway, Mr. Marlborough, not quite, not quite the portfolio of Ronald Katz. I'll take you through a little bit of his history. It's interesting. So born 1936. In 1961 he co founded Founds Telecredit with Robert Goldman is the first company to enable merchants to verify consumer checks over the phone using an automated system without the assistance of a live operator. So it's. This is 61, 61, like totally pre Internet. Someone says, I'm going to write you a check. How do you verify that they have it? You have to call the company and say, do they have money? It's an agentic workflow. It literally is. Because it cut out the live operator. That was the telephone operator. It's actually an agentic workflow. You're 100% right. I know you're joking, but it's true. And so in 1988 he forms a partnership with Amex to provide call processing services. That partnership later became First Data Corporation. And so he founded Ronald Katz Technology Licensing. And I feel prison. First Data, huge. First Data is the layer below Stripe, right? I'm pretty sure there's a layer below Stripe. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Stripe uses First Data for acquisition of credit cards. And I'm pretty sure it's the first processor of Visa and MasterCard. And so I don't know if they use. That might be misinformation. I don't know if Stripe uses First Data still. But I remember that there is a lower level below Stripe and. And First Data was like one of those. But Ronald Katz, where. Where was this founded? Yeah, Nebraska. So he. So Katz gets in there anyway. He also had the patent portfolio that for companies using automated call centers. Over 150 companies have taken a license to patents. The technology licensing company that. He has earned approximately $1 billion in license fees such as suing accused infringers who take a license. He also founded Telebuyer llc, a privately held company that commercializes inventions he made relating to electronic commerce and network based monitoring systems. In the early 90s, Katz developed a computer controlled video system for monitoring remote locations and an advanced scheduling and routing system for telephone and video communications. Katz leveraged his knowledge and work in these areas to create an electronic commerce system to help businesses reach customers in remote locations. I love all these words. B2B SaaS founder. Absolutely insane. It's wild. So anyway, his house is on the market. It was built around the same time as the Playboy mansion. The home resembles an English country house with 10.

Get on Numeral to numeral HQ.com sales tax on autopilot. Spend less than 5 minutes per month on sales tax compliance. So there's another, there's another story in. The mansion compliance platform of John Coogan. It is, I use it. There's another tech person who has a $50 million home or slightly under 49.49.5 million. This is an 8,000 square foot nine bedroom home with a tennis court and a pool. And you're going to, you're going to love this. I don't think you've read this yet. Not yet. Okay, I'm going to blow your mind. So a circa 1930s estate just a few houses from the Playboy Mansion in Los Angeles is coming on the market for 49.5 million. The roughly 8,000 square foot nine bedroom estate was the longtime home of the late inventor Ronald Katz and his wife Madeleine Katz. Ronald was best known for a series of patents that revolutionized automated customer service and telephones and for making breakthroughs in credit card technology. Right. So if I'm hearing this correctly, sort of, sort of like AI agents for. Exactly. Sort of like, you know, a vintage version of Finn. Yes, yes. I mean, I'm very excited to be hanging out with Ohnn in a few years. Hopefully. He's patented Fin AI, the number one AI agent for customer service. Number one in performance benchmarks, number one in competitive bake offs. Number one on G2. But yes. So this guy has a whole Wikipedia page that we can pull up. We're looking for Ronald Katz. I think I have it in here somewhere. Let me see. They got so much stuff here. Ronald, we're not getting through any of this. Where is it? Ronald Katz. Okay. Ronald Katz. Yes. So his inventions are primarily in the field of automated call center technology. He has more than 50 patents covering his innovations. Patents. I know so many people who have like generational wealth from patents. It's crazy. And it just seems like it's something that just doesn't exist. Kind of a lost art. It's a lost art. Toll free numbers. We don't know how to patent in this country anymore. We don't know how to patent. It's completely a lost art. Actually, the person who bought my first company was a patent guy. He went to college and studied like chemical engineering and built a bunch of patents for like lubricating petroleum as it flows through oil pipelines. And he came up with some chemistry, patented it, and then he was like, yeah, in college I was getting like 100k a month from licensing my patents. Or something like that. Like sick. Yeah. There was a time when it, when it seemed like the play was to develop technology, patent it and license it out to companies. And then now if an entrepreneur comes to you with an idea, it's a bad signal. And they say, yeah, like I'm working on patents. It almost always is a huge bear signal. Yeah, it's like it is such a lost art. We don't develop something and then capitalize on it yourself. Yeah. Because it is like you can, you can definitely, if you get it right, you can make a lot more money from delivering the technology or whatever it is via your own product and capturing that incremental margin. But it's interesting because you'd think that the passive income bros would be super into patents, right. They'd be like just become the world expert in a certain field, get a PhD in it, spend 10 years researching the frontier and then develop an innovation, patent it and then just cash flow free, you know, lifestyle forever. I do have one friend that had something like this where he developed this, this supplement and effectively licensed it to a company. And was. Has just been getting millions of dollars a year for his. For coming up on like 15 years. Did I tell you I have a patent? Ah, big patent guy. Maybe it's not a lost. I don't make any like cash flow off of it though. But I have a patent for breakers. The capsule. You can hear that? I don't even have the IEM thing. I can hear you. Yeah, I have a patent on the capsule pouch. The capsule, nicotine pouch. It's a fantastic innovation. Invented John Coogan, the inventor. I love it. Anyway, Mr. Marlborough, not quite the portfolio of Ronald Katz. I'll take you through a little bit of his history. It's interesting. So born 1936. In 1961 he co founds telecredit with Robert Goldman. It was the first company to enable merchants to verify consumer checks over the phone using an automated system without the assistance of a live operator. So it's this is 61, 61, like totally pre Internet. Someone says I'm gonna write you a check. How do you verify that they. That they have it? You have to call the company and say do they have money? It's an agentic workflow. It literally is because it cut out the live operator. That was the telephone operator.

And you upload. It's a post that you write. And then there's going direct, where you're not sending a. You're not sending a liaison to cnn, but you are going on cnn. And that's. And so Augustus did this interesting thing where, like, he definitely, like, went direct, but he also did all of the legacy media stuff. Like, Fox News is legacy media. CNN is like legacy media. And not in the traditional going direct playbook. But there's, like, this evolution. And. And I think it's risky. Like, it is risky to go into someone else's platform. You go on infowars is going to have a certain aesthetic. You go on cnn, they might ask you some really hard question that you're not prepared for. They might try and make you look bad. Like, this was the. This was the narrative around these, like, around the whole move of. Of, like, just go direct. Don't talk to the press directly. Don't let them tell your story. Tell your own story. Well, he's doing both. And it's interesting because it feels like it's working for Augustus. Like, it feels like he handled this pretty well. I would give him. I would give him a lot of credit with Sean. It's interesting. He did send out there. There have been a few surrogates. So Joe Lonsdale went on TV and defended it and kind of explained it, but Sean didn't. And I think that. I think these both might be good strategies. I'm not really like, oh, you know, there's a one size fits all here. They're very different situations. Yeah. Bill Ackman came out in support of Sean. There was a great post from Pat Grady, Sequoia partner. Pat said yesterday this tweet expresses a personal view. I'm not very vocal on Twitter, and I'm sure this tweet will piss people off. If you're looking for drama, this is probably not it. This will be very disappointing to people with extreme views of any kind. And that's sort of the point. The purpose of this tweet is twofold. To express my support for the Muslim community and to express my support for my partner, Sean McGuire. Pat says, Some of my best friends are Muslim. They are warm, kind, wonderful people. I love them like family. They are feeling fear right now. Fear for the safety of their families. This is not hypothetical. These are real people, loving parents and their sweet children who aren't sure if they can live here anymore. He goes on to say, some of my best friends are Jewish. They are warm, kind, wonderful people. I love them. Like family, they too have felt their fair share of fear over and over again for generations. This is not the experience any American of any background should have in this country. That this is not what made America the greatest country on Earth. Muslims are not the enemy. Jews are not the enemy. Extremists are the enemy. And when we let them sow the seeds of fear, fear of the other, we are letting them win. So basically, it goes on to say that this is really not about different cultures and people. It's more about kind of. Yeah. Long story short, you don't want to let the extremists when. Yeah. Or like, put you in the bucket of extremists. Yep. So anyways, interesting. Interesting response. Both. Both of them are not, you know, these will be ongoing. I wonder. I wonder what the takeaway is for, like, with. With Rainmaker. Like, the core claim of the controversy was directly about Rainmaker's business. And essentially it was in many ways existential to Rainmaker because there's, like, proposed bans of the technology. Right. And then there's also just the question of, like, should cloud seeding be done at all or not. Right. And that was like, the vibe online was like, that was where the debate was. Whereas people are not debating, like, should Sequoia invest in tech companies? Right. It's like a completely separate thing. And so maybe it does merit, like, a different approach in terms of, like, PR management. I don't know. I think they both handled it well. I don't know that I would recommend anything differently. I'm just wondering if. I guess the big question is, like, when should you step outside your core competency? I think it's interesting to think about reach with these two strategies. I would imagine that Sean has actually had more, like, reach, like, actual eyeballs on his content. Interesting. Just kind of estimating based on how viral some of his posts have gone, I would assume he's gotten 50 million views on his posts this week. Like a really, really crazy number. And Augustus has gone on all these different platforms, but I imagine the actual reach is far lower when you add, you know, if you go on. If you go on Fox News on some random show, there might be a hundred thousand people that watch that segment. Yeah. But maybe that's better because, like, the people like, with. With Sean, like, he's trying to. He's trying to fight back against something that's like a general vibe or a general accusation of a bad vibe, which is like Islamophobia. Right. Whereas Augustus is trying to fight against, like.