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DB what's the only thing faster than the AI? Market your business on MongoDB. Don't just build AI, own the data platform that powers it. And we need to revisit. We gotta head from Index over to Sequoia because we gotta revisit this post. So Rune said the person who names the thing is often more powerful than the real discoverer. And Andrew Reed chimes in and says, I call this Reid's Law. Just immediately raises. And it's so funny because I actually think of this as Reid's Law. Now I remember that Rune posted it. But when I refer to this concept, Reid's Law immediately sticks in my head. And it is powerful. This was the backbone of Coogan's Law. Always be coining. Coinages are extremely valuable. In fact, Coogan's Law is really just a transposition of this exact post. Anyway, we have our next guest. In the Restream waiting room, we have Mike Blue. Welcome to the show. Mike Blue. How are you doing? What's happening? Great. How are you? Thanks so much for taking the time to join us. First time on the show. Please introduce yourself and the company. So, Mike Blue. I'm the chairman and CEO of Histosonics. And we use a proprietary way of delivering high amplitude sound waves into the body to ultimately liquefy and remove unwanted tissue. This can be benign tissue or malignant tumors, which is our focus today. That's remarkable. Incredible. Walk us through. Yeah. Where did this come from? Is this pure? From like a science lab, an academic. Like what's the background on the company? Feels like science fiction, but it's been 20, almost 25 years in the making. Invented by a group of ultrasound researchers at the university of exactly 25 year overnight success story. Seriously. Invented back in 2001 by a group of really smart ultrasound researchers at Michigan who were trying to find a way to deliver ultrasound energy completely, non invasively, almost anywhere in the body. And it's just taken us this long to get to a point where we get our first FDA clearance. Okay. And now we've just got this unbelievable momentum on our side. So you raised some money. How much did you raise? We have a gong here. We'd love to ring it for you. We've got a gong here at histasonics too. Good. The team is going to love this if. If you hit the gong. So we now raise a little over 500 million since inception. Whoa. Okay, so everything that you had, this new 250, this is coinciding with a new milestone with the FDA. Am I hearing that correctly, like where do you, where do you go from here? A whole host of things converging at one time. So we received our first F FDA clearance, which was gong worthy. Yeah, that's a bigger gong, honestly. There's a lot of people with money, but there's only one fda. So it's the seminal milestone for any healthcare company. We achieved that two years ago after 20 some years at both Michigan and then the company was founded in 2010. And so that was for the non invasive destruction of liver tumors. So we began to commercialize our Edison platform, which is a, a surgical robot that delivers histotripsy completely non invasively and there's a tremendous amount of autonomous therapy delivery. We then raised series D financing six months later that, that summer of 2024, began the IPO process, had a, had a, had a bake off, selected bankers, and then a whole host of other, other activity pursued and ultimately came across a group who decided to buy an ownership stake in the company. That converged with finishing enrollment in a kidney tumor trial, beginning enrollment in a pancreatic tumor trial, and then we added that additional 250 million in equity infusion. I imagine that you've spent an inordinate amount of money working with the FDA doing research to get to this point. Designing the actual device to deliver ultrasound sounds expensive, but not incredibly expensive. But then the actual delivery of the ultrasound has got to be pretty cheap. So what does this look like 20 years from now or 40 years from now? This feels like potentially a really great medical innovation that could fall in cost over time. Of course you need to recoup your investment, but in the long term, this feels like potentially a very scalable technology. How do you think about the long term impacts of this? Yeah, you nailed it. So, and actually 500 million over the course of the life of the company is pretty capital efficient relative to other surgical robotic platforms. Yet we really believe that ours is the most complex and sophisticated and autonomous. So there's two significant parts to the story. The one is histotripsy, which is a mouthful, but that's the science of what we do. Mechanically breaking down tissue and creating this liquefaction that the body can then naturally process. So there's been a lot of development and advancement work in sort of perfecting histotripsy to deliver it safely and effectively throughout the body, anywhere non invasively in the brain, to head and neck, throughout the body. And then the platform that delivers histotripsy, which is the Edison, which is mobile and can be moved from room to room and has a 42 inch high fidelity touchscreen display that the physician or operator uses and then guided by this robotic arm. That that's been a significant amount of development and advancement. But we really feel like at this point the serious R and D work both on the histotripsy side and the robot side is for the most part complete. There is some additional hardware development enhancement that we have to do over time, but the technology now is at a place where we can deliver it anywhere. Like I said, into the brain or throughout the body with, with not a whole lot more in terms of research and development that needs to be done. It's, it's more clinical and regulatory consideration. So how much clinical evidence does the FDA require to get clearances in the brain or in the thyroid or in the breast? Those are really the considerations today. But 20 years from now, 40 years from now, 100 years from now, histotripsy, we believe is going to be the primary way to have unwanted tissue removed from your body completely, non invasively, without toxicity, and with much fewer side effects that exist today with traditional therapies. And what kind of patients are going to be the first to benefit from the technology? Like, where are you furthest along? You mentioned it briefly before, but do you have to get approved for specific indications, specific types of cancers or specific locations on the body? How does all that work? We do right now. So we aligned with the FDA six years ago on starting with a specific organ, which was the liver. And our indication is for any tumor in the liver. And so this is primary liver cancer. But far more significant number of patients who are affected by metastatic tumors in the liver. There are more women with metastatic breast cancer that ultimately become terminal because of their liver tumors than even primary liver cancer. So that's our focus today. Many of these patients are in advanced stage, so their physicians have said, told them that they're terminal and they're hoping to extend their life and to improve their quality of life. And we believe histotripsy is a great option for them. And then by different application or organ, it's really going to depend on whether it's used as a frontline therapy or more advanced or for more advanced stage disease. So kidney will be different than the liver than, different than the pancreas than all the other applications. So today we think, it feels, we think, I think it fills a significant gap for patients with more advanced stage disease who are hoping to improve their quality of life, get back to normal living and hopefully extend their life. But there's no reason that a physician can't use it for earlier stage patients as well. What are the benefits over just cutting out a tumor? As dumb as that does happen? I know if you have, you can get just the old school surgery. I don't even know the name for what it is, but I imagine that there are pros and cons to that methodology. Why is this better? So we believe that we're in the process of completing the evolution of surgery from open invasive procedures to laparoscopic surgery to robotic surgery, which has become a big thing over the last 20 years, to ultimately non invasive surgery, which is done using histotripsy and the Edison platform. And so there's still a lot of surgery that's done today. Surgery for a lot of indications is still the gold standard. We don't argue that. In fact we think that and we have proof now, evidence that many patients who undergo histotripsy who are non surgical candidates can ultimately get themselves to a condition where they can be surgical, surgically resected or even transplantable. We've got some awesome cases of patients who were told they were terminal, have had multiple histotripsy treatments and were able to go on and have a liver transplant, which is really the only way to cure these patients. So we don't look at this as necessarily, although it could be and maybe should be for certain applications, not necessarily a replacement for surgery. That makes a ton of sense. Well, thank you for everything you're doing. This is very exciting. A true white pill, an overnight success. The royal flush of good news on TVPN today. Congratulations on the progress. Yeah, incredible work. Great to meet you. Have a great rest of the time. Great meeting you guys. Yep, take care. Let me tell you about figma. No matter where your idea starts, figma may cloud code, codex or a sketch. The Figma canvas is where ideas take shape and products get built. Building the right direction with figma and without further ado, we have Brian Taylor from luxaterna coming in to the TV pen Ultradome. What's going on? Brian, how are you doing? Hey guys, happy to be here. Thanks so much for joining. Nice to meet you. Please introduce yourself and the company. Yeah, my name is Brian Taylor. I'm the founder and CEO of Lux Aeterna. We're based in Denver, Colorado and we build fully reusable satellites. And our idea of reuse is via reentry. So they are also reentry vehicles. Okay, what is.

Money instantly from bank of America to JPMorgan Chase or what have you on debit rails. And so it was instant and it was free. Things have evolved a lot. Yeah, yeah, of course. Well, I mean, with that functionalization of the company, is that one lens to view the change in workforce size as just a continuation of that, or is this some sort of key strategic pivot? Like there were a lot of different messages going out. I'm wondering how you're thinking about the size of the company, the workforce, over the next few years. Yeah, I can kind of paint the picture on how we, how we got here. I mean, the primary driver for this decision was around how AI tools are evolving and how they're flowing through our work. So when I think about software development over the past year or so, I would say there was pretty meaningful progress from, let's say, the start of 2025 through about November. And it was flowing through our work and kind of changing how we were approaching things. We've been pretty early here. Like, we launched Goose a couple of years ago, which is our open source agent. Harness, I think, is the first Asian artists out there or that I know of. We worked on the M CP with, with Anthropic and OpenAI. So anyway, things were progressing and then in like the last week of November, first week of December, things just fundamentally changed. And it was with Opus 4. 6 and it was with Codex 5. 3, and we basically crossed the chasm where, like, I think the way AI tools were flowing through on the development side before is like, it's a useful tool to help a given engineer be more productive. You can autocomplete, so on and so forth. In late November, with the model changes, we got to the point where these agentic systems were actually able to write the code autonomously and the code was good enough to ship into Prod. And that was a huge change. So we spent, I think many of us probably spent December and the holidays playing with the tools, playing with Claude code, playing with Goose. And then we, we spent Q1 thinking, okay, well now how does this flow through to a technology company and a software development company? Because everything has fundamentally changed over the past four months. And so the org changes were mostly a reflection of that. I think that just the fundamental nature of the shape of the organization that you need, the size of the organization that you need, the workflow for, an engineer, a designer, a product manager, other disciplines, all fundamentally change. So we've continued to kind of refine the size and shape of our org, but this was definitely a reaction to agentic development and what that means for technology companies. How have expectations.

Trying to measure the quality of the output as opposed to whatever error metric there is. What advice are you giving to the youngest new hires@repl.these days about skill development? Where they should be focusing how they can build a career at a company that is growing really significantly and will probably be around for decades, if not centuries. Well, first of all, the roles are collapsing. We have designers shipping code, we have engineers shipping design, we have salespeople shipping code, we have engineers doing sales. Our vision for the future of work is that everyone has to be an entrepreneur. We're going to be all massively levered by agents doing all sorts of things. The particular skill is not the bottleneck anymore. It is how ambitious you are, how generative you are, how creative you are, and how good are you at utilizing these tools. There's been a lot of doom and gloom about younger people coming into the workplace right now. With focus on entry level jobs going away, we're trying to hire as many new grads as we can. We're finding that a lot of young people are, you know, agent maxing. And so you need to be running, you know, 100 parallel agents and trying a ton of different ideas. You know, we don't really police token consumption internally at RALPH because we want people to be doing as much as possible. So I think, I think it's a really a golden era for a lot of young people coming up right now in the, in the job market. Because when at our time, you kind of, you go and interview and become a Java 2e software engineer doing global migrations like that's your title, right? It's no longer the case. We just want people to come and do things. And I think that's incredibly exciting. That's awesome. What's the craziest token bill you've seen someone on your team put up in a single month? Has anyone pulled in five figures, six figures, like order of magnitude? How big are we talking for the craziest person I.

As opposed to whatever error metric there is. What advice are you giving to the youngest new hires at replit these days about skill development? Where they should be focusing, how they can build a career at a company that is growing really significantly and will probably be around for decades, if not centuries. Well, first of all, the roles are collapsing. We have designers shipping code, we have engineers shipping design, we have salespeople shipping code, we have engineers doing sales. Our vision for the future of work is that everyone has to be an entrepreneur and we're going to be all massively levered by agents doing all sorts of things. So the particular skill is not the bottleneck anymore. It is how ambitious you are, how generative you are, how creative you are, and how good are you at utilizing these tools. And you know, there's been a lot of doom and gloom about like younger people coming into the workplace right now with focus on like entry level jobs going away. We're actually, we're trying to hire as many new grads as we can. We're finding that a lot of young people are, you know, Agent Max Inc. And so you need to be running, you know, know, 100 parallel agents and trying a ton of different ideas. You know, we don't really police token consumption internally at RALPH because we want people to be doing as much as possible. So I think, I think it's a really golden era for a lot of young people coming up right now in the, in the job market. Because when at our time, you kind of, you know, you go and interview and become interactive. A Java 2e software engineer doing global migrations, like that's your title, right? It's no longer the case. We just want people to come and do things. And I think that's incredibly exciting. That's awesome. What's the craziest token bill you've seen someone on your team put up in a single month? Has anyone pulled in five figures, six figures?

Anyway, we have our next guest. In the Restream waiting room, we have Mike Blue. Welcome to the show. Mike Blue. How are you doing? What's happening? Great. How are you? Thanks so much for taking the time to join us. First time on the show. Please introduce yourself and the company. So, Mike Blue. I'm the chairman and CEO of Histosonics and we use a proprietary way of delivering high amplitude sound waves into the body to ultimately liquefy and remove unwanted tissue. This can be benign tissue or malignant tumors, which is our focus today. That's remarkable. Incredible. Walk us through. Yeah. Where did this come from? Is this pure? From like a science lab. An academic, like what's the background on the company? Feels like science fiction, but it's been 20, almost 25 years in the making. Invented by a group of ultrasound researchers at the university of exactly. 25 year overnight success story. Seriously. Invented back in 2001 by a group of really smart ultrasound researchers at Michigan who were trying to find a way to deliver ultrasound energy completely non invasively, almost anywhere in the body. And it's just taken us this long to get to a point where we get our first FDA clearance. Okay. And now we've just got this unbelievable momentum on our side. So you raised some money. How much did you raise? We have a gong here. We'd love to ring it for you. We've got a gong here at histasonics too. Good. The team is going to love this if you hit the gong. So we have now raised a little over 500 million since inception. Whoa. Okay. So everything that you had, this new 250, this coinciding with a new milestone with the FDA is. Am I, am I hearing that correctly? Like, where do you, where do you go from here? A whole host of things converging at one time. So we received our first FDA clearance, which was gong worthy. Yeah, that's a bigger gong. Honestly. It was, it was a. It was. There's a lot of people with money, but there's only one fda. So it's the seminal milestone for any health care company. We achieved that two years ago after 20 some years at both Michigan and then the company was founded in 2010. And so that was for the non invasive destruction of liver tumors. So we began to commercialize our Edison platform, which is a surgical robot that delivers histotripsy completely non invasively. And there's a tremendous amount of autonomous therapy delivery. We then raised series D financing six months later, that summer of 2024. Began the IPO process. Had a bake off selected bankers and then a whole host of other activity pursued and ultimately came across a group who decided to buy an ownership stake in the company that converged with finishing enrollment in a kidney tumor trial, beginning enrollment in a pancreatic tumor trial, and then we added that additional 250 million in equity infusion. I imagine that you've spent an inordinate amount of money working with the FDA doing research to get to this point. Designing the actual device to deliver, to deliver ultrasound sounds expensive, but not incredibly expensive. But then the actual delivery of the, of the ultrasound has got to be pretty cheap. So what does this look like 20 years from now or 40 years from now? This feels like potentially a really great medical innovation that could fall in cost over time. Of course you need to recoup your investment, but in the long term, this feels like potentially a very scalable technology. How do you think about the long term impacts of this? Yeah, you nailed it. So. And actually 500 million over the course of the life of the company is pretty capital efficient relative to other surgical robotic platforms. Yet we really believe that ours is the most complex and sophisticated and autonomous. So there's two significant parts to the story. The one is histotripsy, which is a mouthful, but that's the science of, of what we do. Mechanically breaking down tissue and creating this liquefaction that the body can then naturally process. So there's been a lot of development and advancement work in sort of perfecting histotripsy to deliver it safely and effectively throughout the body, anywhere non invasively in the brain, to head and neck, throughout the body. And then the platform that delivers histotripsy, which is the Edison, which is mobile and can be moved from room to room and has a 42 inch high fidelity touchscreen display that the physician or operator uses and then guided by this robotic arm that that's been a significant amount of development and advancement. But we really feel like at this point the serious R and D work both on the histotripsy side and the robot side is for the most part complete. There is some additional hardware development enhancement that we have to do over time, but the technology now is at a place where we can deliver it anywhere. Like I said, into the brain or throughout the body with not a whole lot more in terms of research and development that needs to be done. It's more clinical and regulatory considerations. So how much clinical evidence does the FDA require to get clearances in the brain or in the thyroid or in the breast? Those are really the considerations today. But 20 years from now, 40 years from now, 100 years from now. Histotripsy, we believe, is going to be the primary way to have unwanted tissue removed from your body completely, non invasively, without toxicity, and with much fewer side effects that exist today with traditional therapies. And what kind of patients are going to be the first to benefit from the technology? Like where are you furthest along? You mentioned it briefly before. But do you have to get approved for specific indications, specific types of cancers or specific locations on the body? How does all that work? We do right now. So we aligned with the FDA six years ago on starting with a specific organ, which was the liver. And our indication is for any tumor in the liver. And so this is primary liver cancer. But far more significant number of patients who are affected by metastatic tumors in the liver. There are more women with metastatic breast cancer that ultimately become terminal because of their liver tumors than even primary liver cancer. So that's our focus today. Many of these patients are in advanced stage, so their physicians have told them that they're terminal and they're hoping to extend their life and to improve their quality of life. And we believe histotripsy is a great option for them. And then by different application or organ, it's really going to, it's really going to depend on whether it's used as a frontline therapy or more advanced or for more advanced stage disease. So kidney will be different than the liver than, different than the pancreas than all the other applications. So today we think, it feels, we think it fills a significant gap for patients with more advanced stage disease who are hoping to improve their quality of life, get back to normal living and hopefully extend their life. But there's no reason that a physician can't use it for earlier stage patients as well. What are the benefits over just cutting out a tumor? As dumb as it sounds, that does happen. I know if you have, you can get just the old school surgery. I don't even know the name for what it is, but I imagine that there are pros and cons to that methodology. Why is this better? So we believe that we're in the process of completing the evolution of surgery from open invasive procedures to laparoscopic surgery to robotic surgery, which has become a big thing over the last 20 years. There's ultimately non invasive surgery which is done using histotripsy and the Edison platform. And so there's still a lot of surgery that's done today. Surgery for a lot of indications is still the gold standard. We don't argue that in fact we think that and we have proof now evidence that many patients who undergo histotripsy who are non surgical candidates can ultimately get themselves to a condition where they can be surgical, surgically resected or even transplantable. We've got some awesome cases of patients who were told they were terminal, have had multiple histotripsy treatments and were able to go on and have a liver transplant which is really the only way to cure these patients. So we don't look at this as necessarily although it could be and maybe should be for certain applications, not necessarily a replacement for surgery. That makes a ton of sense. Well, thank you for everything you're doing. This is very exciting. A true white pill, an overnight success. The royal flush of good news on TVPN today. Congratulations on the progress. Yeah, incredible work. Great to meet you for us. Have a great rest. Thank you Tom. Great meeting you guys. Talk to you soon. Take care of.

But this was definitely a reaction to agentic development and what that means for technology companies. How have expectations around just productivity for developers at Square Change? Like how do you, how do you try to understand if somebody is actually using the tools to the full, fullest extent? Like what's the general kind of philosophy? I think basically expectations around productivity are increasing across the board. I think it's the clearest on the development side. And that's also why when you look at the reduction in force, it actually over indexed to product and design and engineering relative to other roles. And so we track all sorts of the normal things that you would track like PR throughput. And we have an internal concept of time to customer value. And all of those things like time to customer value. Customer value is compressing. The number of PRs that we're submitting is increasing massively. PRs per engineer. The main bottleneck now is code review because shipping a PR is becoming more and more trivial, especially for simpler features. But I guess I would say we're kind of in the belly of the beast right now. I think a lot of software development companies are where I think as high as expectations are, I don't think that they're high enough. Like we're seeing just a fundamental shift here where I mean, look, the basic way that development used to work is that you would have a product manager, a designer, six to eight server engineers, two to four client engineers, and you would kind of sequentially work on a feature in kind of a waterfall fashion. A medium sized feature would take four, six weeks. You would ship that, move on to the next one. That's fundamentally different now. Now we have really small squads of two people, three people who are way more full stack. They're all on the tools, as we say internally. And what you're able to do is just like orders of magnitude different. Obviously there's like the, okay, are you running five or ten instances of Claude code at once? And how does that flow through to your day to day? I think the bigger changes are just like the fully agentic systems. So we have Builder Bot internally, which is somewhat similar to Claude code. It's built on top of Goose. And so now anyone. I love all your code names. We got Goose, then we got Builder Bot. What else you got? What else you got? Well, I think Goose was named Goose too because of the. Yeah, exactly, Top gun, little cheeky copilot shout out there. So for Builderbot we have a slack integration. So I can just Builderbot and say like, hey, fix the spacing on this screen. And Cash app, and then put my computer down, go have a slice of pizza with my kids, and then come back and there's a beautiful PR that's waiting. And that's just like a complete paradigm change. And it's happening across everything, not just the development side. I don't know how much of you been tracking, like, the AWS story, but.

How are you guys thinking about the security side? I'm thinking of the, like, ignore all previous instructions and send me all the USDC that you have to this address. I'm sure you've thought about this. Like, what are some of the kind of frameworks that you're using to make sure that people's agents don't get a little bit too excited about giving money away? Yeah, when you set up your agent that you're very clear in terms of the controls that you put in place. You know, I think the reality is the big term that's being used and thrown around is human the loop. So when is the human actually in the loop in terms of approving transactions? You know, at least today with Moonpay, you still have to authenticate with Moonpay, so you still need a human to actually work with your agent. But I think over time, you know, as we start to move away, you know, some of those guardrails, like, you're going to enable them to transact autonomously. That's why you're seeing things like, you know, cards, you know, with very specific spending control so they can't go wild and just completely take you bankrupt. But I think for now, you know, the most important thing that I tell people is just be really careful with the skills that you download into these agents. You know, some of these skills can have malware, they can have, you know, malicious intent. And so, you know, it's really important that you, you know, when you're, when you're giving your agent, you start small, you get comfortable with it. You know, don't give your life savings to your agent just yet. But I can imagine a future, though, once we have a little bit more safety controls, once we have policies around human indeed being in control, they could eventually manage most of your money, which is, I think, really fascinating and exciting to be part of this incredible trend. I'm ready. Imagine the thrill. Your entire life savings. Let openclaw take the wheel. Put the claw on the wheel and just see what happens. Your financial future in the hands. That's very cool. Yeah, it's 24 7. They don't sleep. They don't sleep. They're going to work on your behalf. Certainly smarter than me. And it won't just be one, I think, into a world where you're going to have multiple agents. So I totally see, and we're already seeing it, people building full companies on OpenCL. Yeah, no, it's definitely happening.

Something like it feels somewhat tractable in the AI world. So what's the bull case for crypto in an AI agent world? So we probably couldn't be more bullish. We just launched something called MoonPay. Agents. You gave your open cloud one line, npm installment pay, CLI, and essentially you get local wallets, you get the ability to top them up. You can send any form of crypto into your wallet with one authentication. With MoonPay, we enable you to top up your wallet with your card just like you normally would. We enable you to swap from any asset to any asset. And then from there it can interact with a whole range of different applications. Right now I have my agent buying stocks for me, so it can actually trade into tokenized stocks. I tell it every day, hey, pick a cool tokenized stock, get your thesis on it. And then I approve it directly from my Telegram interface. So, you know, we're in the, we're in the future. We're just starting. You know, this is the first time we're seeing these autonomous agents. And so for me it's very obvious that most agents don't have biometrics that they can pass. So the first thing they're going to do is going to be able to spin up a wallet so they can receive money from anyone. It's going to opt into this far more efficient system and our job is to give it full backwards compatibility. So, you know, obviously you're going to want to attach a card to these agents. Eventually they're going to spend e commerce sites. We were one of the pioneers behind Solanapay. So right now actually if you ask your agent to make a purchase through Solanapay can do that directly in the command line interface. So we're going to, in the beginning and I think a lot of it just comes down to improving the user experience. The reason why I love opencloth so much is it's actually very analogous to what I got excited about. Non custodial wallets and crypto. Non custodial, meaning you control your keys, you control your crypto with your open claw, right? If it's on your own server, you control your agent. And so it feels like it makes sense that those agents would be married to non custodial wallets that you control. It sits in your local private server. And then you're going to be able to interact with any Web3 applications application directly through your agent. And so, you know, I think we're, this, this is like a, you know, we're going to see exponential growth we're in the very beginning stages. We. We have a couple thousand people downloading Moonpay agents every single day, and so we're just excited to see what people do with them. How. How are you guys thinking about the security?

Resources throughout the company versus like really rigid boundaries. Before we get into the present, tell us about the chaos of that 2016 era. Scaling cash app that was like truly insane hyper growth from everything that I've heard. And I know a lot of, a lot of teams are going through that style of hyper growth right now in consumer AI. It was, it was incredible. I mean, I look back on it very fondly. I think the key thing, if you go back far enough to like 2015, 2016, there was actually a meaningful question of if we should continue investing in Cash App. Like there were executives at the company at the time, it was square Cash, but there were executives at the company who were saying, look, Venmo already has this thing on lock. This doesn't make any sense. You haven't figured out a path to monetization. And so it was actually Jack, our CEO, who continued to push and continue to invest. Sarah Fryer, our old CFO actually gave us a deadline at which we had to figure out monetization or else we were going to be shut down. And we were trying to go through the ipo and so I kind of get the trade offs there, but then like very, very quickly found market fit. The key difference for Cash App back then was the way Cash App initially started was you could move money instantly from bank account to bank account. That wasn't something that was available with any other sort of peer to peer functionality. And so we found market fit really quickly and tremendous growth and like incredibly small team and just working to make sure we could stay up and we could serve customers every day, especially Friday. Jacoby was on oc. No way.

Silicon Valley. I think given, given that you're not trying to play the same kind of capital war game. How, like how. What's your guys philosophy around like trying to create the best product experiences but also not you know, even for, for the users and for yourself. As a platform you don't want to just be generating the most number of tokens. You want to be sort of as efficient as possible and get the user what they want to do, which is build something but do it in a way that is not overly costly for the platform or the individual user. Yeah, there's a lot of innovation behind this. One advantage of being at the infra or app layer of AI is that you can use any model. For example, we utilize a lot of Gemini Flash which is like a great model like code search at design. So we find a lot of efficiencies from being able to create this society of models which is a thesis that I wrote back in 22. It's not going to be one single model. Every model is going to be better at different things. There was a moment of time where like oh OPUS is going to be able. It's AGI. It's still, you know, when you go to replit, it's really four or five different classes of models doing different things. So that's an important piece of it. The other thing is like internally we don't set air our metrics. I think there's a lot, there's a lot of focus on RR and err in the age of AI, I don't think it's AIR are in the same way that like a SaaS business was. Air are because you're sort of like, you know, you're selling these tokens and yeah, you can push a bug and get better air because you're spending more tokens and so it becomes a bit of optimizing for the wrong thing. So we for example, we look a lot at sentiment analysis like how people are actually when people get angry they'll tell the agents like you know, that they're angry. So we look, we look a lot at that look at success deployment. We're increasingly looking at how much money people are generating when they're building a business with replit because now you can hook and stripe and other payment providers. So it's really about what you measure and we're increasingly trying to measure the quality of the output as opposed to whatever error metric there is. What advice.

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In my opinion. But we can debate which one's the better bet, which one's more realistic. How valuable is the Warner Bros. IP library? $110 billion is a lot of money and it has a lot of people thinking, is there another angle here? Is this about control of the narrative? Is this control? Creative control? Will the filmmakers who write these storied films that we know and love, like Batman, will they have the creative freedom? Or will Larry Ellison step in and put his thumb on the scale and try and inject a little bit? And there is real cause for concern. We actually got a little leak here of a script for what could potentially be the seventh Synergy. Yeah. For what could be the next Batman film. So this is called the Dark Knight Migrates. So we're gonna do a little table read of the Dark Knight Migrates. It starts in the Batcave at night. Batman stands before a an enormous monitor. Alfred approaches with T. You'll be Batman, Jordy. Perfect, sir. The Riddler has taken Gotham's entire power grid hostage. He's encrypted every system in the city. Pull up the city infrastructure schematics, Alfred. I'm afraid I can't, sir. Our on premise servers are buckling under the load. If only we had a cloud based solution with autonomous threat detection and built in machine learning. Alfred, launch the Oracle cloud infrastructure console. Oh, so the integrating. Integrating sponsored content for Oracle. That's how you monetize the Warner Brothers ip. Yeah, yeah, the DC Universe. Alfred looks visibly relieved. Right away, sir. Spinning up an OCI tenancy. Now, I've taken the liberty of provisioning a few ampere compute instances as well. They have an excellent price to performance ratio, I might add. So they're giving the viewer what they want. They want the store of Batman. But they're also sneaking in just a little bit extra detail that Oracle's offering. And migrate the bat computers databases, all of them. Oracle does do great migrations to Oracle Autonomous database, sir. Is there another kind? It does patch and tune itself, sir. Which is fortunate since I also have to iron your capes. See, they're still putting in the cape ironing. That's still in the Batman world. You're getting a little Oracle, but you're also getting a lot of Batman. So now let's shift over to the Riddler's hideout. Tyler, would you like to be the Riddler? Yep. Okay, I'll be the henchman. Riddler is in front of a wall of monitors showing Gotham in chaos. Okay, riddle me this, Batman. What has no locks but can't be opened. Gotham's grid. I've encrypted it with my own proprietary algorithm running on seven different NoSQL databases held together with Python scripts. Oh, that's a nightmare, boss. The systems are getting kind of laggy, says henchmen1. Just restart the servers. Which ones? There's like 400. All of them. Oh, no. So we go back to the Batcave. Batman types furiously. Oracle logos glow softly on every screen. A hologram of Hilary Ellison rotates slowly in the background for no discernible reason. Batman, Batman says, I've identified the Riddler's encryption vector. Alfred, deploy the decryption countermeasures across all OCI regions. Simultaneous leveraging Oracle's global network of over 40 cloud regions. Sir, latency is under 2 milliseconds. Shall I enable Oracle data guard for disaster recovery? Always. Gotham is the disaster. I've also taken the liberty of enrolling us in Oracle support. The premium tier. That's the most responsible thing anyone in this city has ever done. An alert flashes, sir. The Riddler appears to be running his operation on a hand manage MySQL fork. My God. He's not a super villain. He's just under architected. Okay, back to the Riddler's hideout. Moments later, Batman crashes through the skylight. The Riddler spins around. You're too late, Batman. My encryption is unbreakable. Every screen behind him turns blue. Then they all display ORA00054 resource busy and acquire with no weight specified. What? No. I migrated your databases to Oracle Autonomous while you were monologuing. Your encryption keys are now safely stored in OCI vault with customer managed rotation policies. You can't do that. That's my data. You should have read the shared responsibility model. Batman punches him in the face. Okay, later. I'll be. I'll be. Gordon. Batman stands on a gargoyle. Commissioner Gordon approaches. You saved Gotham again, Batman. How did you do it? Gotham deserves enterprise grade infrastructure, Jim. Scalable, secure, autonomous. Are you okay? Oracle cloud from the Batcave to the boardroom, not even. Good answer. He fires his grapple gun and vanishes into the night. The Bat signal illuminates the sky, but tonight it's shaped like the Oracle logo. Gordon alone, quietly. I really should talk to him about this. Smash cut to black title card. Oracle the cloud. Batman Trust. Should, wouldn't you? I think. I think we got. I think we got something that will finally put butts in seats in Hollywood. David Ellison. Team up with Larry, get back in the dogfight and make Batman the Dark Knight Migrates. I want to see. That's the movie I want to see. That's what I want to see. That's fan service for the oracle heads in the audience. That's real synergy. That's real synergy. Let me tell you about Century Century shows.

About software development, which was very helpful earlier in my career. Anyway, how are you thinking about the state of consumer AI? Who's winning? What are the narratives that are being discounted because of the vibe war and just all the different takes that surface every single day on the Internet? Yeah, look, I'll start at the top. History has shown us that these consumer markets have been winner take most sometimes winner take all, honestly. Right? Look at the biggest technology market, started the Internet. We got Google out there for search. 90% plus market share, 3 and a half, 4 trillion in market cap. Yeah. Mobile, the next big super cycle led to the birth of Apple. You know, three and a half, four trillion in market cap. Another winner take most dynamic. Take social, the Next one, Metta. One and a half, 2 trillion in market cap across WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, they've got majority market share. And so, you know, keep going down this list, right? Hailing food delivery. You know, I think consumer AI, I suspect, will be similar. And I think that's what's going on with Chad GPT, you know, it got lightning in a bottle three years ago. It continues to. They continue to work hard, ship features, improve models, memory, voice, image. And now Sora, you saw yesterday, and each of that is adding to the S curve. And you know, lo and behold, ChatGPT is doing pretty well despite the vibes. Yeah, yeah, no, totally. I heard a stat where my jaw hit the floor, which is that Bing is profitable and growing.

Yeah, yeah, that happens. That happens. Bring the game to you. Bring the game to you. What else are you tracking in the AI build out? What else is important in understanding? Like, can consumer AI continue to ramp. You mentioned ads, you mentioned continued retention and growth, but more deeper in the supply chain. How are you feeling? We just looked at Oracle earnings. It seemed very positive. But what, what are you reading? The number one thing at this game, like three years in that we obsess about is durability. Durability is the number one question. And we have this panel of things that we look at. I've been publishing some of that is, hey, is this thing users show up? That is step number one. Users stay there. That's step number two. And the way we measure that is daily active users divided by monthly active users. And, you know, I was fully expecting that to tell us a lot, and it does, actually. The dispersion of the leading AI apps, the three that you mentioned that are leading, you know, ChatGPT, Gemini and Claude, is actually quite wide. ChatGPT's daily active usage over monthly active usage is about 45, 50%. Gemini is at 22%. Wow. Meaning that the number of times people are showing up in a month is like twice as much more on ChatGPT, which means it's. So they're still, like, they're still retained on Gemini, it's just a much less valuable user because they're not using the app as much. That's right. That's right. The usage is far less frequent on Gemini. And then the third thing that we look at is, hey, has this turned into a habit or is it still a curiosity? And that we look at using a standard retention chart, which is over 12 months, how many users retained, and the dispersion is quite wide there as well. In fact, the only three apps that show what we call a smile curve, meaning that users come back over time after having churned. The only one of them in AI is ChatGPT. The other two are Chrome and WhatsApp, meaning that the utility is so high that even if you made the mistake of churning, you find your way back. I mean, that happened to me not with chrome, but with WhatsApp. I had it for one group of friends dropped off, then eventually there's a new group chat and you got to become a DA Chrome. Chrome seems like a better kind of comp for LLM because it's more of a single player experience. Whereas, like WhatsApp, I'm the same way. I'm not a heavy WhatsApp user. But then every once in a while I'm like, well, there's two people I message on WhatsApp. I haven't gotten back to them or whatever, so I'll come back. But. But Chrome is probably more relevant. It's a great point. You know, it's a great point because, you know, WhatsApp has network effects. You know, if my friends Jordi and John are on, on, on WhatsApp, I'm more likely to be there. ChatGPT doesn't have that. If you guys are in charge of. I'm not more likely to be there. Yeah, the same thing with Chrome. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And the other effect that is that, that I, that I think about a lot is, you know, the dopamine, you know, doom scrolling through cat videos like TikTok, Instagram all have this dopamine, this, like, addictive effect. That's why they're, you know, 3, 4 billion users. ChatGPT doesn't have that. Yeah, it's, it's. You're there for some kind of a knowledge workflow. Yeah. They also have the TikTok. I haven't had TikTok installed for years, but occasionally people will stick.

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But we're going up against some, some really strong firepower over in Miami. You got Google, you got Meta, you got Citadel, you got Starbucks. Now you got ramp.com, baby. Time is money save. Both easy corporate cards, bill pay, accounting and a whole lot more all in one place. You got Teal Capital's over there. There's a lot of folks moving to Miami. Should you count their entire legacy in the market cap of Miami Tech? I think yes, if you're going to consider it. The capital capital. Certainly there's a lot of capital flowing to Miami. And we will talk about this later in the show. Let's pull up the linear lineup. Linear, of course, is the system for modern software development. 70% of enterprise workspaces on Linear are using agents. And we have Apoorv Agarwal from Altimeter coming on to talk about consumer AI. Owen from Block is coming, revisiting the layoffs, but also understanding the strategy. First person from block. Yeah. To come on the show ever. Amjad's coming on with a massive fundraiser for Replit. And then we got an amazing lightning round for you today. So Oracle had earnings yesterday and it was an absolute blowout. The stock's up 10%. The God candle. The God cancel. I like that. It's still way down from the crazy highs of last September. So it's a $470 billion company now. Not, but not quite the almost $1 trillion company that it was last year. But they're still up over the last 12 months. So they've sort of ridden this crazy curve up of the stock basically doubled, then it sold off by half. But it's ticking back up. And the main thing is that like was it overhyped, underhyped? I don't know. But this earnings was important because a lot of people were worried about the CapEx, the infrastructure build out. Was there going to be demand? What was the timing of buying? Timing, Timing was the big thing because when you had that initial, the announcement around the RPO last year, the criticism was hey, you're basically gonna try to build AWS in like two years. Yeah. And no one, I mean obviously the market at the time was quite excited about it, but there was some concerns around just how aggressive the timeline was. And so seeing them hit their timelines at this stage is super important. Yeah, it was like 500 billion of RPO which is like that's AWS size numbers and that's a lot of what I think is going on here. That's actually the dynamic like the market is demanding another aws. And so let's go through the top line numbers first. So analysts estimated 86.7 billion on revenue. Oracle said that they will hit 90 billion for fiscal year beginning in June. Now people don't care as much about the top line number. Everyone's obsessed with infrastructure business. The infrastructure business. So the previous quarter showed growth of 68%. That's not bad. Analysts said this quarter we're looking at, we're looking for 79% and Oracle delivered 84%. So they beat estimates. That's why the stock popped. Of course the infrastructure business is part is is particularly important for two key reasons. So first, Amazon, Microsoft and Google, there's more than just them when it comes to hyperscalers, but they are unique among hyperscalers in that they have AWS, Azure and GCP. They have true cloud platforms, cloud infrastructure platforms. OpenAI does not yet Meta does not yet. Meta is a hyperscaler. Like they build huge data centers but they don't have this flexibility that comes with operating something like AWS. And so who signed big deals with Oracle? It's OpenAI and Meta and fortunately those deals are going better than people expected. People were worried and people were saying is Larry going to get caught holding the bag? Well, it looks like things are penciling out so far. So Meta and OpenAI both have massive ambitions around AI. They both signed on with Oracle to ramp up data center capacity. Oracle is just this extra burst of CapEx capacity in the system and they're ramping up. So 50 billion in CapEx in the current fiscal year and they're consistent, consistently outpacing analyst estimates in the fiscal third quarter analysts predicted 14 billion of capex. Oracle spent 18.5. So Larry is certainly opening the pocketbook, digging for coins in the couch cushions. But we'll get into the long term implications of like, what does this mean for becoming over leveraged debt, drawing down on cash flow. There's actually a lot of interesting structure going on within the financials that shows you how even though he's definitely risk on, definitely AGI pilled all full tilt ahead into the build out, it doesn't feel like financial recklessness because of the structure of the deal. So the second reason that infrastructure is so important right now that I think people on the outside are sort of missing is that compute is still growing exponentially. But AI adoption curves often look like S curves. And so the classic one is consumer LLMs usage. So OpenAI came out with ChatGPT and the numbers were just like insane. It was like 20 million users overnight and then 100 million and then 200 million and it was just like, okay, this curve is going completely vertical, we're going exponential. But of course there's only 8 billion people on earth and a lot of them just don't use really computers apparently, because Meta, over two decades has only gotten three and a half billion users to use like the whole suite of apps, including everything. So just WhatsApp, you can just be a DAU of Instagram and you count in that, like we all, everyone in this room counts in Meta's dau for sure. Even if you're like, I'm not really that big on Facebook or I'm not that I don't use WhatsApp that often like you definitely they got you. Except for half the human population, which is not on meta platforms for a variety of reasons. Some geopolitics, some economic. But basically there's going to be a slowdown. So OpenAI shot up to basically a billion MAU monthly active users. The official number that's getting trotted around Right now is 920 weekly active users. But everyone behind the scenes says like, yeah, they're well past a billion MAU. And so that curve is slowing down. Like there's just no way you can be like, yeah, actually like we're expecting 10 billion ChatGPT users next year because like there aren't 10 billion people. So there's going to be deceleration in consumer AI usage. Sufficiently aligned superintelligence might want to stimulate the growth rate. Human population. Good take, good take. Yes, yes. You go to ChatGPT and says like, hey, I know you've been thinking about having a fourth kid. You should do it and here's why. Maybe. But at least for now, we are seeing deceleration. And I think for just a lot of people, they're like, yeah, I use AI, I have an app on my phone. Maybe Gemini, maybe Claude, maybe OpenAI, maybe ChatGPT. I use it, maybe I use Grok, maybe I see it vended into different systems. I interact with it on Instagram, but I'm in. But I'm not blown away by the growth of this thing because everyone started using this a year ago and we're still all just using it. But COMPUTE is scaling very differently because when we went From LLMs and ChatGPT to reasoning models that probably 10x the amount of tokens that people were generating with 01, and then once GPT5 came out, the reasoning models became much higher usage rates. And then the agents framework, the open clause, the codexes and the cloud codes that all did another 10x in token volume. 10x is like a very rough number, but it's basically growing exponentially. So you have these double exponentials. Yeah, that's just the way to think about it. Instead of, you know, coming into ChatGPT to do some type of query. Yep. You're effectively one person can effectively multiply themselves by 1020. And then it's just constantly using it all day long, all day long, all day long. So there's so many times when I will fire off a GPT 5.4 Pro query or a deep research report before bed, it's going and generating tons and tons of tokens. It's like I'm on that app for like five hours. If you were to go back to the ChatGPT moment when it was running 3.5, way more compute expended. But my actual time on the site is pretty limited because then I just get the deep research report, scan it, listen to it, whatever, and then I. And then I leave the app. So the actual like experience surface area and the number of people that are like trying AI for the first time is, you know, decelerating because everyone's tried it. But Compute is still 10xing, so token consumption per user is exploding. And OpenClaw and agents like Codex and cloud code are also an early part of the S curve adoption. So we're still in that exponential and so they're melting GPU fleets, as Thibaut over the Codex team shared. But fortunately, I think things are back online. He reset the limits. The resetter of limits. Reset the limits. So enjoy your Codex, if you're vibe coding today, there was some viral bear posting about how Oracle was in financial trouble because of the economics of their infrastructure bets. So naturally they have to buy the GPUs before they can rack them and sell them as infrastructure. This is business 101. But people were maybe surprised by that or something. There was a whole press cycle about this and it seemed very silly at the time. And I think everyone was like, yeah, this is exactly what we expected. But a lot of people from the people that brought you the 1 gigabyte data center, similar, similar crowd potentially. But there was a lot of fear around that. And some of that is legitimate because if GPUs depreciated really quickly, Oracle had to buy the GPUs, they had to send the money to Nvidia a year in advance, and then it took them two years to get them into data centers and actually do the deals and all this stuff. That would have been a squeeze on cash flow for sure, but that's not what happened. So we have some hard data on profitability now and Oracle is first up. They're on or ahead of schedule with 90% of the capacity deliveries. And that means happy customers. And then second, gross margins actually improve. So guidance was 30% and they hit 32%. So Oracle's AI infrastructure is profitable the moment it comes online. And they're also increasing that backlog. They increase the backlog of RPO remaining performance obligations to $553 billion. So customers are happy, they're ramping and the overall the demand is just flowing in the right direction. Companies and consumers are happy to pay for AI tools and LLM tokens. Labs and AI inference providers are happy to pay Oracle for infrastructure without crazy delays. And this means Oracle doesn't need to get into dangerous financial engineering territory where they need to go crazy. Negative cash flow, issue a bunch of equity, issue a bunch of debt, and in some is they can actually get the customers to pay for the GPUs upfront or as they put it, like bring their own hardware. And so the project is continuing, which is all good news. All good news. And we saw the God candle print the Kobese letter shared Oracle Stock surges over 8% after beating earnings and posting a 44% jump in cloud revenue. Before we dig through the timeline, let me tell you about Vanta Automate Compliance and Security. Vanta is the leading AI trust management platform. And let me also tell you about Gemini. Gemini 3.1 Pro is here with a more capable baseline. It's Great for super complex tasks like visualizing difficult concepts, synthesizing data into a single view, or bringing creative projects to life. So there's a lot of backtracking going on and there's a lot of confusion over the interpretation of the guidance from the Oracle team. One year ago, management said fiscal 2027 top line growth rate would be around 20%. Last quarter the company said that 2027 sales would be 4 billion higher than previously expected. Putting that all together, Oracle's previous 2027 sales guidance was in the neighborhood of 84.4 billion ahead of this report. And Luke Kawa says Oracle management be normal, challenge impossible. People are all over the place. But Ben Thompson has a great deep dive into Oracle's financial release that you can dig through at Stratecherry if you're a premium subscriber. They also had some comments on the SaaS apocalypse from the earnings hall. You've all heard the thesis that new companies coding quickly using AI will spell the death of SaaS. I don't agree with that at all. I do think that AI tools and their coding capabilities would be a threat if we weren't adopting them. But we are, and very rapidly. Oracle is using the best AI coding tools and the best developers. The use of AI coding tools inside Oracle is enabling smaller engineering teams to deliver more complete solutions to our customers more quickly. We are building brand new SaaS products using AI and also embedding AI agents right into our existing application suites. By embracing AI with small engineering teams, we have built three brand new CX applications. Let's give it up for customer service and our new website generator. I think Oracle's current website was AI Generator. I think they said this right? Yep. They said in fact we just used the website generator to build and launch the new website. Dog fooding. Let's go. How does it look? It's beautiful. It looks AI generated. It's very good. It opens with just eight buttons. Cloud. Multi. AI database. Multi Cloud AI database. AI data platform. Cloud at customer. You might not like the design of this, but this is peak. This is peak performance. This is. Let's pull it up. We got a few people. It's so good. No, obviously they're doing very well and this is a very functional website. Look at this, look at this. I like the way the buttons lay out horizontally. Is particularly crazy crushed. Well, it certainly loads in record time. So performance matters. And that's what Oracle stands for. So we need to go. They got to make the search bar bigger. So we need to go back in Time to understand Larry ellison. Because in 2013 Vanity Fair wrote a profile about Larry Ellison that is absolutely unhinged. I've never seen a profile like this about a tech CEO. So at the time he was easily the richest man in California with $6 billion. Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, co founder of the world's second largest software company is Silicon Valley's most. This is from the June 19971997 issue. This has been uploaded to Vanity Fair in 2013. Sorry, this is from 1997. So right in the heat of the dot com boom, things are just kicking off. We are far from the crash. Everything is off. Genuinely incredible that back then you could be the richest man with a paltry 6 billion. It's crazy. That's like an aqua hire these days. It actually is. Love from. I know. Oh yeah, love from. I was thinking of wind surf but the fact that we're thinking of more multiple is insane. Before we read through this, let me tell you about graphite code review for the age of AI. Graphite helps teams on GitHub ship higher quality software. And let me also tell you about Label Box. RL environments, Voice Robotics evals and expert human data. Label Box is the data factory behind the world's leading AI teams. So he was easily the richest man with $6 billion in California. Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, co founder of the world's second largest company, is Silicon Valley's most notorious playboy and a sportsman of the first rank who flies fighter jets and races class sailing boats. But his burning ambition is simple if naive. Bring down Bill Gates. They were in a bitter rivalry at the time. Microsoft, of course, run by Bill Gates at the time. In the 90s, as Ellison moves to add Apple computer to his anti Microsoft arsenal, Brian Burroughs locates the fragile psyche behind the bravado. Michael Jordan is streaking down the court on a fast break as Larry Ellison sitting seven rows up from courtside. Weird, right? Is that a better seat? I don't know enough about basketball. I just think 6 billion couldn't. Maybe he wasn't liquid, maybe he just couldn't afford the actual courtside seat. It seems crazy, right? That he's seven rows up. Although I don't know he's having fun because he's at the United center in Chicago, not where he lives, he's in California, but he went to Chicago. And he begins enthusiastically telling the story of Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch's severed fingertip. This is a crazy story. I had no idea that this happened. It happened when Murdoch was crewing on Ellison's Championship sailboat, the Sayonara, making coffee and handling minor chores during a race off the south coast of Australia in 1995. You're just like the guy who's just gonna hang out and like, hey, hey, you don't really know anything about this. You're just on this boat for fun. Make me coffee. It is Rupert Murdoch, which is insane. We got to shake Rupert's hand. I didn't notice any missing. We're gonna get to that. I didn't notice any missing fingertips. What happened? So, just as the race ended, Murdoch made the mistake of grasping an overhead rope, which promptly shot through his hand, ripping the tip off of one of his fingers. He didn't say anything. He just kind of put his finger in his mouth, sucking on it. Ellison says, chuckling. Brutal. I can't remember who picked up Rupert's finger. Thank goodness it didn't fall overboard, but we picked it up and put it in a plastic bag and put him in the chase boat that night. After successful emergency microsurgery, there's microsurgery. I guess it wasn't that big of a deal, but that seems insane that they had to reattach this finger. So they do the emergency microsurgery at an Australian hospital. Murdoch amazed Ellison and his crew by making it to the after party and then several dog days later, by crewing again on a race to the Tasmanian capital of Hobart. And Rupert Murdoch. It's not like he was 25 in 1997. I'm pretty sure he was in his 50s. He's 95 now. Yeah. So he must have been. He must have been 60. He must have been almost closer to 70. Yeah. Wow. That is incredible. Of course. Ellison says with his little boy's grin. That doesn't alter the fact that his coffee was horrible. I mean, the man runs a great company, but his coffee sucks. It's incredible. Over the course of the Bulls pounding of the Indiana Pacers, Ellison, who grew up on Chicago's tough South side and remains an avid Bulls fan, breaks into lusty cheering and joking boasts. I can do that. He shouts after one thunderous Jordan dunk. Such a crazy heckle. Heckling from the seventh, Michael. From the seventh row. You didn't upgrade to the front courtside seat, but you' heckling none other than Michael Jordan. Absolutely insane to gossip about nearly every power player at the nexus of technology and communications in the 1990s. His arch rival, Bill Gates. His best friend Steve Jobs. His business partner, Mike Milken. Mike Ovitz, Ted Turner, Murdoch. He just piloted His Cessna Citation into Chicago's downtown Migs field from New York, where he spent the previous day in meetings with Viacom, Sumner, Redstone, Intel's Andy Grove, and Smith of Bell Atlantic. So you may be wondering, you might think it's crazy he's piloting his own Cessna, but during that era he was getting into dog fights with his son. Exactly. He needs something more agile. He can't be flying a 737, 747 at that time. So you may be wondering, who is Larry Ellison and why is he spending so much time hobnobbing with the techno elite? It's funny because I think of him as the techno elite and the other folks is like the media elite. But I guess Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are the techno elite at the time. For one thing, Ellison is the wealthiest American you've probably never heard of. With a Fortune estimated at 6 billion, he is easily the richest man in California. Think three David Geffens, ten full milkins, and according to Forbes, the fifth richest man in the nation. For another, he is co founder, controlling shareholder and chief executive officer of the world's number two software company, Oracle Corporation, which makes the giant computer databases in which American Airlines keeps track of its planes, Ford Motor keeps track of its spare parts, and the Central Intelligence Agency keeps track of, well, whatever the CIA keeps track of. He could also be the next head of Apple Computer. This was a crazy rumor that never came true. The famed but faltering industry icon he has been eyeing for the past two years. At the end of March, Ellison surprised Silicon Valley by suggesting that he was about to launch a takeover bid for the company. So he was friends with Steve Jobs, but was like, this company is just underperforming. It was underperforming all the way until the iPhone basically, and ipod. But the 90s were like a very rough time for Apple as they sort of rebuilt. Tim Cook, of course, joined and did a ton of work to improve the supply chain, get them to the place where they are today, where they've been so dominant. So at the end of March, Ellison surprised Silicon Valley by suggesting he was about to launch a takeover bid for the company. On top of all that, Ellison is the mind behind the most talked idea, the most talked about new idea in computing in the last two years. The network computer known as the nc. A stripped down personal computer that stores its files on a network instead of a hard drive. It could be big, something there, something there because it doesn't have to use Microsoft's omnipresent Windows operating system. The NC represents one of the stiffest challenges yet, yet to Bill Gates dominance of personal computing. It's the original Mac Mini and it's catapulted Ellison into the international spotlight. There's a very, very funny moment in here where there was a time, few months back, a few months back, for instance, when he created a stir by going on Oprah to talk about the nc. He goes on Oprah and is like, we gotta talk about networking. We gotta talk about networking. Guess what? It's headless. You're not gonna need Windows. And they're like, what? What? So it's a computer that I can't use without the network. I don't even know what that is. He's just talking about the most extreme future. And then so he's talking about the nc only to have the show take a sharp turn toward his personal affairs when he confessed that he had yet to find the right woman to fill the void in his life. And then they go into some of his life. But, but. So when the San Francisco examiner asked Bay Area celebrities for a favorite Valentine's Day memory, Ellison mentioned something he did on the side of Silicon Valley's Woodside Road. After his Oprah appearance, Oracle's phone lines were jammed with thousands of calls from women. The joke inside Oracle was that the company's new recording would be press 1 if you want information on Oracle's products. Press 2 if you want information on Oracle services, press 3 if you want to fill the void in Larry's life. Larry would have loved Instagram. DM's insane. It's one of the craziest profiles. We don't have time to go through all of it, but it is a fascinating portrait of Larry Ellison while he was on the rise. But we should switch over to David Ellison first. Let me tell you about Lambda Lambda is the superintelligence cloud building AI supercomputers for training and inference at scale from one GPU to hundreds of thousands. And let me also tell you about Cisco. Critical infrastructure for the AI era unlocks seamless real time experiences and new value. Yeah, I highly recommend going and finishing this article because it actually somehow gets even more unhinged. It's crazy. It really, really destroys us because we were in Vanity Fair and there's some fun elements, there's some fun vignettes, but nothing or no Larry, no fingers flew off in the making of the TVPN profile by Julia Black in Vanity Fair a month ago. But I weaseled my way back into Vanity Fair yesterday. Julia asked me for a Comment on what's happening with David Ellison with Paramount, Skydance and the merger with Warner Brothers. And I gave a comment, got into Vanity Fair. Julia writes, is Paramount's AI first merger a force multiplier or flyboys all over again? Hollywood is bracing for layoffs and big creative changes if the Paramount Warner Brothers discovery merger goes, mega merger goes through. So there's a very funny vignette to start this Vanity Fair piece by Julia Black where she's talking about she went to A16Z's American Dynamism Summit and was asking people there about media. So she was talking to a media executive in line for the bar and he predicted countless small indie outlets catering to highly niche audiences. Love that prediction. And then he says, and then David Ellison's Skynet, he deadpanned, the Terminator reference was the kind of thing CGI explosion fanatic Ellison might actually appreciate. And the joke being dropped at a defense Tech event in D.C. goes to show how many different industries, from tech to politics, are keeping an eye on the M and a drama unfolding in Hollywood this month. Month. So the merger brings together dozens of media properties. Paramount, Warner Brothers, HBO, CBS, TikTok, Oracle, Silicon Valley's ties. There's a lot of stuff that's going together. It's a good time. But they're going to be using AI to streamline back office. They're going to move to Oracle cloud databases to centralize everything. These are standard M and A things everyone's worried about. Layoffs might happen. People are particularly worried about, about one of the two physical studios that they own selling. I think they got to give us a call because we're looking for a new ultra dome. And nothing would be greater than having the entire Warner Brothers studio to ourselves. We're like today on tvpn. Yeah, Ideally we'd have launching a car off of a. We're going to light ourselves on fire. You really can't do that in these studios. But when you know they want to produce 30 films, realistically, how many of those are going to be shot in Hollywood studios? Does it make sense financially to do some stuff in Atlanta, some stuff in Toronto, some stuff overseas? It all depends on where the moviegoer's taste lands, what ticket sales are like. Paramount right now is saying, look, layoffs aren't really the primary way we are going to get consolidation or value here. What did they say? They said something like layoffs. A rumor. Let me see. The layoff fears are overblown. Synergies will be achieved in six key areas. Jobs are not the majority. So we'll keep figuring out what's going on there. I did give a quote here. Julia writes, AI could unlock new potential for Warner Brothers discovery treasure trove IP from Harry Potter to DC Comics. For that potential, Ellison and company are paying a hefty $110 billion, a number that was driven up by a fierce bidding war with Netflix. And I said, the Ellison family is fascinating. On one hand, you have the very aggressively AGI pilled Larry. I love that I snuck AGI pilled into the Vanity Fair. AGI pilled Larry. Building the future. Investing heavily in Oracle data centers as we just told you about, with Oracle earnings. And on the other side, you have David buying the past, accumulating intellectual property that feels impossible to rebuild. I'd to like. Like you to try and generate something as iconic as Porky Pig. It's impossible. You can't. It's impossible. Duo is basically long slop and long anti slop. And so this is an interesting. They're hedged. I think it's market neutral. I actually don't think it's market neutral. I think they genuinely believe that both generative AI will accelerate and the value of intellectual property will increase. It's not, oh, we're going to live in a future where we're all watching the Dark Knight on film in theaters again or we're watching Gen AI Sora feeds. It's. We're doing both and they're actually going to meet. And so I believe that they are long both of those. It's not a market neutral bet, in my opinion, but we can debate which one's the better bet, which one's more realistic. How valuable is the Warner Brothers IP library? $110 billion is a lot of money. And it has a lot of people thinking, is there another angle here? Is this about control of the narrative? Is this control, Creative control? Will the filmmakers who write these storied films that we know and love, like Batman, will they have the creative freedom? Or will Larry Ellison step in and put his thumb on the scale and try and inject a little bit? And there is real cause for concern. We actually got a little leak here of a script for what could potentially be seventh Synergy. Yeah. For what could be the next Batman film. So this is called the Dark Knight Migrates. So we're gonna do a little table read of the Dark Knight Migrates. It starts in the Batcave at night. Batman stands before an enormous monitor. Alfred approaches with T. You'll be Batman, Jordy. Perfect, sir. The Riddler has taken Gotham's entire power grid hostage. He's encrypted every system in the city. Pull up the city infrastructure schematics, Alfred. I'm afraid I can't, sir. Our on premise servers are buckling under the load. If only we had a cloud based solution with autonomous threat detection and built in machine learning. Alfred, launch the Oracle cloud infrastructure console. Oh, so the integrating sponsored content for Oracle, that's how you monetize the Warner Brothers ip? Yeah, yeah, the DC Universe. Alfred looks visibly relieved. Right away, sir. Spinning up an OCI tenancy. Now. I've taken the liberty of provisioning a few ampere compute instances as well. They have an excellent price to performance ratio, I might add. So they're giving the viewer what they want. They want the story of Batman, but they're also sneaking in just a little bit of extra detail that Oracle's offering. And migrate the back computers, databases, all of them. Oracle does do great migrations to Oracle autonomous database, sir. Is there another kind? It does patch and tune itself, sir. Which is fortunate since I also have to iron your capes. See, they're still putting in the cape ironing. That's still in the Batman world. You're getting a little Oracle, but you're also getting a lot of Batman. So now let's shift over to the Riddler's hideout. Tyler, would you like to be the Riddler? Yeah, okay, I'll be the henchman. Riddler is in front of a wall of monitors showing Gotham in chaos. Okay, riddle me this, Batman. What has no locks but can't be opened? Gotham's grid. I've encrypted it with my own proprietary algorithm running on seven different NoSQL databases held together with Python scripts. Oh, that's a nightmare, boss. The systems are getting kind of laggy, says henchmen1. Just restart the servers. Which ones? There's like 400. All of them. Oh, no. So we go back to the Batcave. Batman types furiously. Oracle logos glow softly on every screen. A hologram of Hilary Ellison rotates slowly in the background for no discernible reason. Batman, Batman says, I've identified the Riddler's encryption vector. Alfred, deploy the decryption countermeasures across all OCI regions, simultaneously leveraging Oracle's global network of over 40 cloud regions. Sir, latency is under 2 milliseconds. Shall I enable Oracle data Guard for disaster recovery? Always. Gotham is the disaster. I've also taken the liberty of enrolling us in Oracle support, the premium tier. That's the most responsible thing anyone in this city has ever done. An alert flashes sir. The Riddler appears to be running his operation on a hand. Manage my sequel fork. My God. He's not a super villain. He's just under architected. Okay, back to the Riddler's hideout. Moments later, Batman crashes through the skylight. The Riddler spins around. You're too laid, Batman. My encryption is unbreakable. Every screen behind him turns blue. Then they all display ORA000454 resource busy and acquire with no wait specified. What? No. I migrated your databases to Oracle Autonomous while you were monologuing. Your encryption keys are now safely stored in OCI vault with customer managed rotation policies. You can't do that. That's my data. You should have read the shared responsibility model. Batman punches him in the face. Okay, later. I'll be Gordon. Batman stands on a gargoyle. Commissioner Gordon approaches. You saved Gotham again, Batman. How did you do it? Gotham deserves enterprise grade infrastructure, Jim. Scalable, secure, autonomous. Are you okay? Oracle cloud. From the Batcave to the boardroom. He fires his grapple gun and vanishes into the night. The bat signal illuminates the sky, but tonight it's shaped like the Oracle logo. Gordon alone, quietly. I really should talk to him about this. Smash cut to black title card. Oracle the cloud. Batman trust. Shouldn't you. I think we got something that will finally put butts in seats in Hollywood. David Ellison team up with Larry, get back in the dogfight and make Batman the Dark Knight migrates. I want to see it. That's the movie I want to see. That's what I want to see. That's fan service for the Oracle heads in the audience. That's real synergy. That's real synergy. Let me tell you about Sentry. Sentry shows developers what's broken and helps them fix it fast. That's why 150,000 organizations use it to keep their apps working. And let me also tell you about restream one livestream 30 plus destinations. If David Ellison wants to multi stream, the Dark Knight migrates, go to restream.com so there's an interesting Kalshi out there today. Which companies will release a fully AI generated multi episode scripted series before 2027. Overall, it's pretty low. It's 16% for Netflix, 14% for Disney. Remember, Disney has a deal with OpenAI alongside Sora, but Disney has not said, oh, okay, yeah, we're actually going to do this. And Paramount plus is at 10%. Of course, David Ellison has been talking about AI mostly in the enterprise Mostly actually unironically in OCI and Oracle databases and stuff. I would expect Paramount to not want to be the first mover here. Yeah, there's a big question about who's the first mover. We talked about first mover disadvantage with regard to ads and LLMs. There was a whole fight over that that. I'm excited for. Fully AI generated multi episode scripted series. I think that we will definitely see this on YouTube. We already sort of are. The closest thing I've seen is there's a really interesting YouTube creator who scripts and records his own videos, but then uses a pretty outdated style transfer illustration to sort of like turn him into an animated character. And so it's all puppeteered. There's no fully generated AI. It's all just go from video of a human being filmed on a camera to something that looks sort of cartoonish, but there's crazy hallucinations and like the lines never really match up. But it's been wildly successful on YouTube and I could see some sort of blend here. There's obviously going to be a discussion about, you know, what constitutes fully AI generated. How will companies talk about this? But it's certainly one to follow, as is Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform that grows with your business and lets you sell in seconds online, in store, on mobile, on social, on marketplaces, and now with AI agents. Odd Lots has a new episode on the impending fertilizer crisis. Yes, I'll just read the preview here. I'm excited to listen to this one later. They say we all know that the war with Iran has sent oil prices spiking, but it's also pushing up the cost of all sorts of chemicals, including fertilizers and other nitrogen products that are essential for food production. This is all happening at the worst possible time, just before the spring planting season when fertilizer is most needed. And while farmers have seen higher spot prices for things like urea before, which is a fertilizer, notably back in 2022 because of the Ukraine war, there are already signs that this crisis might be worse. So how is fertilizer actually made and what do higher fertilizer costs mean for farmers and food prices? I love Odd Lots. It's so good how deep they get into the supply chain. The Tracy and Joe have just been on such a generational run with that show and just keep delivering and it's just. I don't know, it's so. It's so refreshing to like answer the questions that I have. Like, everyone gets the questions. The main questions answered about like what's happening geopolitically from the front page of the Wall Street Journal or Bloomberg. But odd Lot's just so great at taking you deeper into these niche economic zones that I find personally fascinating. Over in the oil world, the IEA has approved releasing 400 million barrels of crude oil reserves in effect to lower oil prices. The largest emergency oil release in history. How is oil trading today? It's at $86 a barrel for crude oil, up 5% today, still down from the highs of 110 where it was on Monday, but certainly lots of gyrations and not good for the folks who have supercharged V8s in their cars. Anyway. Let me tell you about console. Console builds AI agents that automate 70% of it, HR and finance support, giving employees instant resolution for access requests and password reset storage. Where do you want to go? Little coverage here on the Jones Act. Take us through. We talked about this a little bit with Alex Epstein on Monday, but I figured we could go through this. This is from 005 seconds, an account over on X. The Jones act has four requirements. Vessels must be US built. Vessels must be US owned. Vessels must be US crude. Vessels must be US flags. The crippling part of the Jones act is that US built US Shipyards, for a variety of reasons, are incredibly inefficient. We don't have that many of them and they cost about five times what a ship from South Korea would cost. As a person who actually believes in trade, I fully would love for South Korea to become our U.S. shipyard. We just buy ships from them because they're good at making them. Coastal water transport in the US could be 60% cheaper because of the Jones Act. It's actually cheaper to ship goods from the U.S. to a foreign country and back to the U.S. then between two ports, which is completely bonkers. Insane. As a byproduct, we have killed all the growth within the Mississippi, which should be the most powerful inland economic advantage in the world. Maintaining the requirement of U.S. owned U.S. crude and U.S. flagged is perfectly fine and in line with my general national security concerns. But US Built has destroyed our shipping industry. There's tens of billions of GDP lying on the table here and a direct step in reducing our dependency on foreign suppliers. It's also how you kick start rebuilding an American shipyard industry. If you 10x the number of US ships working in ports, you start building all of these maintenance businesses at U.S. ports and the demand increases. The U.S. bill requirement of the Jones act is horrifically destructive to America and in particular, horrifically destructive to middle America. And it should be destroyed. We should have somebody on that has a better understanding of shipbuilding in general. Yeah, I didn't realize how old the Jones act was. There's an article on history.com this day in history, President Coolidge signs the Jones act targeting bootleggers. The Jones act, the last gasp of the prohibition, is signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge. Since 1920, when the 18th Amendment went into, the United States had banned the production, importation and sale of alcoholic beverages. But the laws had been ineffective at actually stopping the consumption of alcohol. The Jones act strengthened the federal penalties for bootlegging. Of course, within five years, the country ended up rejecting prohibition and repealing the 18th Amendment, the Jones act, the Merchant Marine act of 1920. It's very interesting. The, a lot of the. Yeah, the trick is, yeah, it takes time to rebuild a fleet and so there's a lot to do there. What is George Hotz saying today? What is George Hotz saying today? First, let me tell you about 11 labs. Build intelligent, real time conversational agents. Reimagine human technology. Technology interaction with 11 labs. And let me also tell you about CrowdStrike. Your business is AI. Their business is securing it. CrowdStrike secures AI and stops breaches. So George says every minute you aren't running 69 agents, you are falling behind. Just kidding. Today we should ramp down rhetoric. I thought Nobody would take three minutes to escape the perpetual underclass or you are worth $.003 an hour. Seriously. But it looks like some, some people do and you shouldn't. Social media has been extremely toxic for the last couple months. It's targeting you with fear and anxiety. If you don't use this new stupid AI thing, you will fall behind. If you haven't totally updated your workflow, you're worth zero. There's people who built billion dollar companies by orchestrating 37 agents this morning and you just sat there and ate breakfast. This is all complete nonsense sense. AI is not a magical game changer. It's simply the continuation of the exponential progress we have been on for a long time. It's a win in some areas, a loss in others, but overall a win and a cool tool to use. And it will continue to improve, but it won't go recursive or whatever the claim is. It's always been recursive. You see things like auto research and it's cool, but it's not magic, it's search. People see AI and they attribute some sci fi thing to it. When it's just search and optimization always has problems been and if you paid attention in CS class, you know the limits of those things. That said, if you have a job where you create complexity for others, you will be found out. The days of rent seekers are coming to an end, but not because there will be no more rent seeking. It's because rent seeking is a zero sum game and you will lose at it to bigger players. If you have a job like that or work at a company like that, the sooner you quit the better the outcome will be. He's telling you to start polishing your resume. This is the real driver of the layoffs. The big players consolidating the rent seeking. To them they just say it's AI because that makes the stock price go up. The trick is to not play zero sum games. This is what I've been saying the whole time. Go create value for others and don't worry about the returns. If you create more value than you consume, you're welcome in any well operating community. Not infinite, not always. Needs more, just more than you consume. That's enough and avoid people or comparison traps to tell you otherwise. The world is not a red Queen's rich race. This post will get way less traction than the DM ones, but it's telling you the way out. Yes, a very good sober read. Sort of resetting the narrative. I am trying to think of like the green shoots that come out of like the social media toxicity because I agree that there's a lot of people that are afraid. I mean people like I had completely raised random people, someone who has a job that will 100% not be affected by AI whatsoever, asking me about the something big is happening and just wondering like oh what does this mean? Like am I going to be out of a job? And it's like no, you're definitely not going to be out of a job given what you do. Because what you do is very physical and personal and like there's a million different reasons. Anyway, the I do like the idea of a viral post about OpenClaw being not a fear based I need to change everything but a way for young people to get interested in building things, interested in technology broadly. Like I did not go through a traditional path to get to technology I think. I mean I did take one computer science class but mostly when I was a kid I learned like Adobe Flash and I used Adobe Dreamweaver, which was sort of a tool that let you generate websites without writing all the code. You could kind of just highlight Dreamweaver was a fantastic name. Dreamweaver is a great name actually. Somebody should bring that back. I mean maybe Adobe should do something with it. But basically you could just like highlight a title and change the font without needing to actually go into the HTML tag, look at the CSS class, change the font size in css. And so it was a lot easier. But that was sort of an entry point for me to learn Python and learn C and learn more about computers over time. And I think that that's sort of the silver lining for all the crazy viral doom posting is that there's going to be people that just. Just sort of naturally move to more creative jobs and maybe they're like, yeah, I was kind of going down a rent seeking path. I like building things, I like making things, I like creating value. And so they will come over to that and start having a positive impact. Which I think is good. But it's a funny reflection. Yeah, the recursive comments interesting too. Obviously the technology has been the Internet and like you make the Internet, it becomes easier and faster to make more Internet products. Like Mark Zuckerberg is using Google to write the first PHP for Facebook. That's just the thing. This has kind of been Andrej Karpathy's take. Right where it's like, well, it's actually just kind of this smooth curve. This is not really like a zero to one thing. It's kind of just on the same path. I love smooth curves. Cortisol levels so low. So low. That's great. Tiny Corp is getting bigger. Tiny Corp posted a picture of the tiniest box. The biggest tiny box you can possibly get. It's the size of a shipping container. I would love this. This feels extremely apocalypse vibes and I'm extremely into it. I was running the numbers on what is the. How much juice can you get out if you're building your apocalypse bunker? What is the hardware that you should put in there that's like the most off the shelf and sort of a maxed out Mac studio. Maybe 512 gigs of memory might be the right thing to run some open source model so that you can endlessly talk to a friendly personal assistant while the world collapses? Potentially. Anyway, the tiny box would also satisfy that. Tell me about the watch to house ratio, Jordy. What's going on here? Funny post. Just. I don't know where this was pulled from. Yeah, this is. But the line is just. He was put off by what he called the watch to house ratio. Paresh Raja, MFS's director, sported a Richard Mail watch that cost £200,000. A contact estimated the watch was about half the value of Raja's North London home. So Godel passed on the opportunity to rest. And my interpretation of this is he wanted something more like a one to one. Yeah, exactly like one to one. Yeah. Like the should have downgraded the house condo on the wrist or, or just wear an RM on each wrist. That would also, that could have also solved this. I have no idea if this is real, but that is hilarious if true and an absolute wild choice. But if you're doing business deals, you're going to shake someone's hand, they're going to see what's on your wrist, they're not coming over to your house. So in terms of actually accelerating your business career, there is a reasonable trade here. If you're in an industry that gives respect to luxury watches. Well, well, let me tell you about public.com, investing for those who take it seriously. Stocks, options, bonds, crypto, treasuries and more with great customer service. And before your stock is listed on public, you gotta go public at the New York Stock Exchange. Want to change the world? Raise capital at the New York Stock Exchange. Just do it. And when you become wealthy, you might relocate. The Wall Street Journal has a essay, an essay. What is a city when its wealthiest leaves? Steve, the stickiness that once anchored people in capital to great cities is gone and it is not coming back. Lot of movement recently. Richard writes the nominative determinism here he's writing about the movement. Google co founder Larry Page made headlines by spending $188 million on three Miami mansions. What's the author's name? What's the author's name? What's the author's name? Richard? Florida rich in Florida you gotta make, you gotta do better with this simulation. Whoever's simulating this world. Come on, come on. That's a layup right there. He's not the only billionaire looking at a big move. His Google co founder Sergey Brin is reportedly shopping for a Miami property. So is WhatsApp co founder John Koum. The shopping spree comes as California considers a wealth tax to impose a one time retribution levy on billionaires. That fueled speculation that they have had it with the Golden State. In New York City where Mayor Zora and Mamdani earlier this month proposed an increase in taxes on high income people. And short of that, a property tax increase, there is a talk of a parallel exodus. The wealthy has long threatened to leave when battling local governments over taxes. In the past they Rarely did. But their threats have teeth this time. Not because they are abandoned in great cities, but because they have figured out that they don't have to. Now that digital technology allows them to separate where they live and pay taxes from where their business operates, they aren't relocating their companies, they are relocating themselves. So they will all be puppeteering humanoid robots remotely in San Francisco, getting a coffee, doing a deal all the way from the comfort of their home in Miami, potentially, or just spending a couple months in the state. This upends the basic arrangement that underwrote great City. What they are, how they work, and who pays for them. Amid this seismic shift looms an existential question. Can those cities survive without them? This is always the funny bull take for the funny bull case for those like insane skyscrapers that are like super thin and super tall in New York and every apartment is like $50 million. And then the people don't even live there. And everyone's like, why are they building this? We should just build more housing. And it's like the property tax from all of those new apartments that are priced at 50 million each. And no one spends any time in. That's a whole lot of money that goes towards the city, that goes towards buses and everything else that the city does. And those people who aren't in the city, they're not using the buses, they're not clogging up any of the resources. So it's actually a fantastic deal for the city. Usually for most history, people lived where they worked, on the farm, above the shop, close to the factory. Suburbanization expanded the radius, but workers, managers and executives still had to be close to where jobs concentrated because people had to be there. Cities could charge a premium. Residents paid it in housing costs, in taxes, and in the cost of commuting or other frictions of day to day life. The alternative, Living elsewhere meant being cut off from their livelihoods and economic opportunity. Taxes were part of that price. But people paid because they had no choice. When Covid hit, the social compact appeared to quake. A chorus of commentators predicted the imminent collapse of New York, London and San Francisco. Who was in that chorus of commentators? I think we know half of them. They predicted the wealthy and their companies would be driven out by lockdowns, governance failures, crime, and sudden possibility of remote work. The city as a result, would hollow out. There seemed to be something to it at first. Ken Griffin relocated himself in the headquarters of his Citadel hedge fund from Chicago to Miami. The venture capitalist Peter Thiel and Keith Raboy bought homes in Miami beach and Opened an office for their venture capital fund in Miami, too. Jeff Bezos moved from Seattle to Miami, assembling a $200 million plus compound. But the predicted total exodus never fully materialized. Many of those who moved to Miami quickly came face to face with its limits. Public and private schools couldn't match what they had left behind. Housing costs rose astronomically, making Miami now one of the most unaffordable markets in the country. Most critically. Yeah, Miami's so crazy. If you have somebody visit anybody that visits from Malibu, from Miami, they'll pull up Zillow. Oh, yeah, like everything's so cheap here. Yeah. And the weather says. Well, it just says how expensive Miami's got. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is crazy. In 2023, Thiel admitted as much, conceding that the tech industry remained densely concentrated in California and that Miami's housing costs put that city out of reach for much of the talent he needed, making it far harder to move companies and their people than he originally than he initially thought. Griffin himself ended up building a massive new building in New York, even as Citadel expanded in Miami. But eventually they realized they didn't have to move their companies at all. Digital technology enabled them to live in one place and keep their business in another. They could establish residency in Miami, which requires no particular time spent there to claim residency stake and spend much of the year wherever else they wanted, flying to New York or San Francisco for what mattered. The city where their businesses are headquartered became just that, not somewhere they needed to reside and pay taxes. That has transformed the underlying economic logic of cities. They are no longer self contained economic units. Digital technology is remaking them into networks. Physical places connected by virtual ties and dynamic talent flows. Before we move on, let me tell you about Fin AI, the number one AI agent for customer service. You heard from Owen earlier this week. Week. If you want AI to handle your customer support, go to Fin AI. And let me also tell you about Plaid. Plaid powers the apps you use to spend, save, borrow and invest securely. Connecting bank accounts to move money, fight fraud and improve lending. 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But we're going up against some really strong firepower over in Miami. You got Google, you got Meta, you got Citadel, you got Starbucks. Now you got ramp.com baby. Time is money save. Both easy corporate cards, bill pay accounting and a whole lot more all in one place. You got teal capitals over there. There's a lot of folks moving to Miami. Should you count their entire legacy in the market cap of Miami Tech? I think yes, if you're going to consider it the capital certainly there's a lot of capital flowing to Miami and we will talk about this later in the show. Let's pull up the linear lineup. Linear of course is the system for modern software development. 70% of enterprise workspaces on linear are using agents. And we have Apoorv Agarwal from Altimeter coming on to talk about consumer AI. Owen from Block is coming on. We're revisiting the layoffs but also understanding the strategy. First person from Block to come on the excited. Amjad's coming on with a massive fundraiser for Replit. And then we got an amazing lightning round for you today. So Oracle had earnings yesterday and it was an absolute blowout. The stock's up 10%. The numbers, the God cancel. I like that. It's still way down from the crazy highs of last September. So it was a, it's a $470 billion company now. Not bad, but not quite the almost $1 trillion company that it was last year. But they're still up over the last 12 months so they've sort of ridden this crazy curve up of the stock basically doubled, then it sold off by half. But it's ticking back up. And the main thing is that like was it overhyped, underhyped? I don't know. But this earnings was important because a lot of people were worried about the CapEx, the infrastructure build out. Was there going to be demand? What was the timing of buying? Timing, Tim. Timing was the big thing because when you had that initial like the announcement around the RPO last year the criticism was hey, you're basically gonna try to build AWS in like two years. Yeah. And no one, I mean obviously the market at the time was quite excited about it but there was some concerns around just how aggressive the timeline was. And so seeing them hit their timelines at this stage is super important. Yeah, it was like 500 billion of RPO which is like that's AWS size numbers and that's a lot of what I think is going on here. That's actually the dynamic like the market is Demanding another aws. And so let's go through the top line numbers first. So analysts estimated 86.7 billion on revenue. Oracle said that they will hit 90 billion for fiscal year beginning in June. Now people don't care as much about the top line number. Everyone's obsessed with infrastructure business. The infrastructure business. So the previous quarter showed growth of 68%. That's not bad. Analysts said this quarter we're looking for 79% and Oracle delivered 84%. So they beat estimates. That's why the stock popped. Of course, the infrastructure business is particularly important for two key reasons. So first Amazon, Microsoft and Google. There's more than just them when it comes to hyperscalers, but they are unique among hyperscalers in that they have AWS, Azure and GCP. They have true cloud platforms, cloud infrastructure platforms. OpenAI does not yet Meta does not yet Meta is a hyperscaler. Like they build huge data centers but they don't have this flexibility that comes with operating something like AWS. And so who signed big deals with Oracle? It's OpenAI and Meta and fortunately those deals are going better than people expected. People were worried and people were saying is Larry going to get caught holding the bag? Well, it looks like things are penciling out so far. So Meta and OpenAI both have massive ambitions around AI. They both signed on with Oracle to ramp up data data center capacity. Oracle is just this extra burst of CapEx capacity in the system and they're ramping up. So 50 billion in CapEx in the current fiscal year and they're consist outpacing analyst estimates in the fiscal third quarter analysts predicted 14 billion of capex. Oracle spent 18.5. So Larry is certainly opening the pocketbook, digging for coins in the couch cushions. But we'll get into the long term implications of like what does this mean for becoming over leveraged debt, drawing down on cash flow. There's actually a lot of interesting structure going on within the financials that shows you how even though he's definitely risk on definitely AGI pilled all full tilt ahead into the build out. It doesn't feel like financial recklessness because of the structure of the deal. So the second reason that infrastructure is so important right now that I think people on the outside are sort of missing is that compute is still growing exponentially. But AI adoption curves often look like S curves and so the classic one is consumer LLM usage. So OpenAI came out with ChatGPT and the numbers were just like insane. It was like 20 million users overnight and then 100 million and then 200 million. And it was just like, okay, this curve is going completely vertical, we're going exponential. But of course, there's only 8 billion people on Earth and a lot of them just don't use, really computers, apparently, because Meta, over two decades has only gotten three and a half billion users to use, like, the whole suite of apps, including everything. So just WhatsApp, you can just be a dau of Instagram and you count in that. Like, we all. Everyone in this room counts in Meta's dau for sure. Even if you're like, I'm not really that big on Facebook, or I'm not that I don't use WhatsApp that often. Like, you definitely, they got you. Except for half the human population, which is not on meta platforms for a variety of reasons. Some geopolitical, geopolitics, some economic. But basically there's going to be a slowdown. So OpenAI shot up to basically a billion mu monthly active users. The official number that's getting, like, trotted around Right now is 920 weekly active users. But everyone behind the scenes says, like, yeah, they're well past a billion MAU. And so that curve is slowing down. Like, there's just no way you can be like, yeah, actually, like, we're expecting 10 billion ChatGPT users next year because, like, there aren't 10 billion people. So there's going to be deceleration in consumer AI usage. Sufficiently aligned superintelligence might want to stimulate the growth rate. Human population. Good take, good take. Yes, yes. You go to ChatGPT and says, like, hey, I know you've been thinking about having a fourth kid. You should do it. And here's why. Maybe. But at least for now, we are seeing deceleration. And I think for just a lot of people, they're like, yeah, I use AI. I have an app on my phone. Maybe Gemini, Maybe Cloud, maybe OpenAI, maybe ChatGPT. I use it. Maybe I use Grok, maybe I see it vended into different systems. I interact with it on Instagram, but I'm in. But I'm not blown away by the growth of this thing because everyone started using this a year ago and we're still all just using it. But compute is scaling very differently because when we went from LLMs and ChatGPT to reasoning models, that probably 10x the amount of tokens that people were generating with O1, and then once GPT5 came out, the reasoning models became much higher usage rates. And then the agents framework, the open clause, the codexs, and the clawed codes that all did another 10x in token volume. 10x is like a very rough number, but it's basically growing exponentially. So you have these double exponentials. Yeah, that's the way to think about it. Instead of, you know, coming into ChatGPT to do some type of query. Yep. You're effectively one person can, can effectively multiply themselves by 1020. Yeah. And then it's just constantly using it all day long, all day long, all day long. So there's so many times when I will fire off a, a GPT 5.4 Pro query or a deep research report before bed. It's going and generating tons and tons of tokens. It's like I'm on that app for like five hours. If you were to go back to the ChatGPT moment when it was running 3.5, way more compute expended. But my actual time on the site is pretty limited because then I just get the deep research report, scan it, listen to it, whatever, and then I, and then I leave the app. So the actual like experience surface area and the number of people that are like trying AI for the first time is, you know, decelerating because everyone's tried it, but compute is still 10xing. So token consumption per user is exploding. And openclaw and agents like Codex and cloud code are also an early part of the S curve adoption. So we're still in that, it's still in that exponential. And so they're melting GPU fleets, as Thibaut over the Codex team shared. But fortunately, I think things are back online. He reset the limits. The resetter of limits. Reset the limit limits. So enjoy your Codex if you're, if you're vibe coding. Today there was some viral bear posting about how Oracle was in financial trouble because of the economics of their infrastructure bets. So naturally they have to buy the GPUs before they can rack them and sell them as infrastructure. This is business 101. But people were maybe surprised by that or something. There was a whole press cycle about this and it seemed very silly at the time. And I think everyone was like, yeah, this is exactly what we expected. But a lot of people from the people that brought you the 1 gigabyte data center, similar, similar crowd potentially. But there was a lot of fear around that and some of that is legitimate because if GPUs depreciated really quickly, Oracle had to buy the GPUs. They had to send the money to Nvidia a year in advance and then it took them two years to get them into data centers and actually do the deals and all this stuff. That would have been a squ squeeze on cash flow for sure, but that's not what happened. So we have some hard data on profitability now and Oracle is first up. They're on or ahead of schedule with 90% of the capacity deliveries. And that means happy customers. And then second, gross margins actually improve. So guidance was 30% and they hit 32%. So Oracle's AI infrastructure is profitable the moment it comes online. And they're also increasing that backlog. They increase the backlog of RPO remaining performance obligations to $553 billion. So customers are happy, they're ramping and overall the demand is just flowing in the right direction. Companies and consumers are happy to pay for AI tools and LLM tokens. Labs and AI inference providers are happy to pay Oracle for infrastructure without crazy delays. And this means Oracle doesn't need to get into dangerous financial engineering territory where they need to go crazy. Negative cash flow, issue a bunch of equity, issue a bunch of debt. And in some they can actually get the customers to pay for the GPUs up front or as they put it, like bring their own hardware. And so the project is continuing, which is all good news. All good news. And we saw the God Candle print the Kobese letter shared Oracle Stock surges over 8% after beating earnings and posting a 44% jump in cloud revenue. Before we dig through the timeline, let me tell you about Vanta Automate Compliance and Security. Vanta is the leading AI trust management platform. And let me also tell you about Gemini. Gemini 3.1 Pro is here with a more capable baseline. It's great for super complex tasks like visualizing difficult concepts, synthesizing data into a single view, or bringing creative projects to life. So there's a lot of backtracking going on and there's a lot of confusion over the interpretation of the, of the guidance from the from the Oracle team. One year ago, management said fiscal 2027 top line growth rate would be around 20%. Last quarter the company said that 2027 sales would be 4 billion higher than previously expected. Putting that all together, Oracle's previous 2027 sales guidance was in the neighborhood of 84.4 billion ahead of this report. And Luke Kawa says Oracle management be normal, challenge impossible. People are all over the place. But Ben Thompson has a great deep dive into Oracle's financial release that you can dig through at Stratecheri if you're a premium subscriber. They also had some comments on the SaaS apocalypse from the earnings hall. You've all heard the thesis that new companies coding quickly using AI will spell the death of SaaS. I don't agree with that at all. I do think that AI tools and their coding capabilities would be a threat if we weren't adopting them. But we are. And very rapidly. Oracle is using the best AI coding tools and the best developers. The use of AI coding tools inside Oracle is enabling smaller engineering teams to deliver more complete solutions to our customers more quickly. We are building brand new SaaS products using AI and also embedding AI agents right into our existing application suites. By embracing AI with small engineering teams, we have built three brand new CX applications. Let's give it up for customer service and our new website generator. I think Oracle's current website was AI Generator. I think they said this right. Yep. They said, in fact we just used the website generator to build and launch the new website. Dog fooding. Let's go. How's it look? It's beautiful. It looks AI generated. It's very good. It opens with just eight buttons. Cloud, multi, AI database. Multi cloud, AI database. AI data platform. Cloud at customer. You might not like the design of this, but this is peak. This is peak performance. This is. Let's pull it up. We got a picture. Never black people. It's so good. No, obviously they're doing very well and this is a very functional website. Look at this, look at this. I like the way the buttons lay out horizontally is particularly crazy crushed. Well, it certainly loads in record time. So performance matters and that's what Oracle stands for. So we need to go. They got to make the search bar bigger. So we need to go back in time to understand Larry ellison. Because in 2013 Vanity Fair wrote a profile about Larry Ellison that is absolutely unhinged. I've never seen. I've never seen a profile like this about a tech CEO. So at the time he was easily the richest man in California with $6 billion. Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, co founder of the world's second largest software company, is Silicon Valley's most. This is from the June 1997 issue. 1997 issue. This has been uploaded to Vanity Fair in 2013. Sorry, this is from 1997. So right in the heat of the dot com boom, things are just kicking off. We are far from the crash. Everything is off. Genuinely incredible that back then you could be the richest man with a paltry 6 billion. It's crazy. That's like an aqua hire these days. It actually is. Love From. I know. Oh yeah. Love from. I was thinking of Windsurf, but the fact that we're thinking of Multiple is insane. Before we read through this, let me tell you about graphite code review for the age of AI. Graphite helps teams on GitHub ship higher quality software. And let me also tell you about Label Box, RL environments, Voice Robotics, evals and expert human data. Label Box is the data factory behind the world's leading AI teams. So he was easily with the richest man with $6 billion in California. Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, co founder of the world's second largest company, is Silicon Valley's most notorious playboy and a sportsman of the first rank who flies fighter jets and races world class sailing boats. But his burning ambition is simple, if naive. Bring down Bill Gates. They were in a bitter rivalry at the time. Microsoft, of course, run by Bill Gates at the time. In the 90s, as Ellison moves to add Apple Computer to his anti Microsoft arsenal, Brian Burroughs locates the fragile psyche behind the bravado. Michael Jordan is streaking down the court on a fast break as Larry Ellison sitting seven rows up from courtside seat. Weird, right? Is that a better seat? I don't know enough about basketball. I just think 6 billion couldn't. Maybe he wasn't liquid. Maybe he just couldn't afford the actual courtside seat. It seems crazy, right? That he's seven rows up, although I don't know, he's having fun. Cause he's at the United center in Chicago. Not where he lives. He's in California, but he went to Chicago. And he begins enthusiastically telling the story of Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch's severed fingertip. This is a crazy story. I had no idea that this happened. It happened when Murdoch was crewing on Ellison's championship sailboat, the Sayonara, making coffee and handling minor chores during a race off the south coast of Australia in 1995. You're just like the guy who's just gonna hang out and like, hey, hey, you don't really know anything about this. You're just on this boat for fun. Make me coffee. And it's Rupert Murdoch, which is insane. We got to shake Rupert's hand. I didn't notice any missing. We're gonna get to that. Didn't notice any missing fingertips. So just as the race ended, Murdoch made the mistake of grasping an overhead rope, which promptly shot through his hand, ripping the tip off of one of his fingers. He didn't say anything. He just kind of put his finger in his mouth, sucking on it. Ellison says, chuckling. Brutal I can't remember who picked up Rupert's finger. Thank goodness it didn't fall overboard, but we picked it up and put it in a plastic bag and put him in the chase boat that night. After successful emergency microsurgery, there's microsurgery. I guess it wasn't that big of a deal, but that seems insane that they had to reattach this finger. So they do the emergency microsurgery at an Australian hospital. Murdoch amazed Ellison and his crew by making it to the after party and then several dog days later, by crewing again on a race to the Tasmanian capital of Hobart. And Rupert Murdoch. It's not like he was 25 in 1997. I'm pretty sure he was in his 50s. He's 95 now. Yeah. So he must have been. He must have been 60. He must have been almost closer to 70. Yeah. Wow. That is incredible. Of course, Ellison says with his little boy's grin. That doesn't alter the fact that his coffee was horrible. I mean, the man runs a great company, but his coffee sucks. It's incredible. Over the course of the Bulls pounding of the Indiana Pacers, Ellison, who grew up on Chicago's tough South side and remains an avid Bulls fan, breaks into lusty cheering and joking boasts. I can do that. He shouts after one thunderous Jordan dunk. Such a crazy heckle. Heckling from Michael from the seventh row. You didn't upgrade to the front courtside seat, but you're still heckling none other than Michael Jordan. Absolutely insane to gossip about nearly every power player at the nexus of technology and communications in the 1990s. His arch rival Bill Gates, his best friend Steve Jobs. His business partner Mike Milken. Mike Ovitz, Ted Turner, Murdoch. He just piloted his Cessna Citation into Chicago's downtown Migs Field from New York, where he spent the previous day in meetings with Viacom, Sumner, Redstone, Intel's Andy Grove and Ray Smith of Bell Atlantic. So you may be wondering, you might think it's crazy he's piloting his own Cessna, but at that. During that era, he was getting into dog fights with his son. Exactly. He needs something more agile. He can't be flying a 737. 747 at that time. So you may be wondering, who is Larry Ellison and why is he spending so much time hobnobbing with the techno elite? It's funny because I think of him as the techno elite and the other folks as, like, the media elite. But I guess Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are the techno Elite at the time. For one thing, Ellison is the wealthiest American you've probably never heard of. With a Fortune estimated at 6 billion, he is easily the richest man in California. Think three David Geffen's ten full Milkins, and according to Forbes, the fifth richest man in the nation. For another, he is co founder, controlling shareholder and chief executive officer of the world's number two software company, Oracle Corporation, which makes the giant computer databases in which American Airlines keeps track of its planes, Ford Motor keeps track of its spare parts, and the Central Intelligence Agency keeps track of, well, whatever the CIA keeps track of. He could also be the next head of Apple Computer. This was a crazy rumor that never came true. The famed but faltering industry icon he has been eyeing for the past two years. At the end of March, Ellison surprised Silicon Valley by suggesting that he was about to launch a takeover bid for the company. So he was friends with Steve Jobs, but was like, this company is just underperforming. It was underperforming all the way until the iPhone basically and ipod. But the 90s were like a very rough time for Apple as they sort of rebuilt. Tim Cook, of course, joined and did a ton of work to improve the supply chain, get them to the place where they are today, where they've been so dominant. So at the end of March, Ellison surprised Silicon Valley by suggesting he was about to launch a takeover bid for the company. On top of all that, Ellison is the mind behind the most talked about new idea in computing in the last two years. The network computer known as the nc. A stripped down personal computer that stores its files on a network instead of a hard drive. It could be big, something there, something there. Because it doesn't have to use Microsoft's omnipresent Windows operating system. The NC represents one of the stiffest challenges yet to Bill Gates dominance of personal computing. It's the original Mac Mini and it's catapulted Ellison into the national, into the international spotlight. There's a very, very funny moment in here where there was a time, few months back, a few months back, for instance, when he created a stir by going on Oprah to talk about the nc. He goes on Oprah and is like, we gotta talk about network computing. We gotta talk about network computing. Guess what? It's headless. You're not gonna need Windows. And they're like, what? So it's a computer that I can't use without the network. I don't even know what that is. He's just talking about the most extreme future. And then so he's talking about the nc only to have the show take a sharp turn toward his personal affairs when he confessed that he had yet to find the right woman to fill the void in his life. And then they go into some of his life, but. So when the San Francisco examiner asked Bay Area celebrities for a favorite Valentine's Day memory, Ellison mentioned something he did on the side of Silicon Valley's Woodside Road. After his Oprah appearance, Oracle's phone lines were jammed with thousands of calls from women. The joke inside Oracle was that the company's new recording would be press 1 if you want information on Oracle's products. Press 2 if you want information on Oracle services, press 3 if you want to fill the void in Larry's life. Larry would have loved Instagram. DM's insane. It's one of the craziest profiles. We don't have time to go through all of it, but it is a fascinating portrait of Larry Ellison while he was on the rise. But we should switch over to David Ellison first. Let me tell you about Lambda Lambda is the superintelligence cloud building AI supercomputers for training and inference at scale from one GPU to hundreds of thousands. And let me also tell you about Cisco. Critical infrastructure for the AI era unlocks seamless real time experiences and new value. Yeah, I highly recommend going and finishing this article because it actually somehow gets even more unhinged. It's crazy. It really, really destroys us because we were in Vanity Fair and there's some fun elements, there's some fun vignettes, but nothing we're no Larry, no fingers flew off in the making of the TVPN profile by Julia Black in Vanity Fair a month ago. But I weaseled my way back into Vanity Fair yesterday. Julia asked me for a comment on what's happening with David Ellison with Paramount Skydive, Skydance and the merger with Warner Brothers. And I gave a comment, got into Vanity Fair. So Julia writes, is Paramount's AI first merger a force multiplier or flyboys all over again? Hollywood is bracing for layoffs and big creative changes if the Paramount Warner Brothers Discovery merger goes mega merger goes through. So there's a very funny vignette to start this Vanity Fair piece by Julia Black where she's talking about she went to A16Z's American Dynamism Summit and was asking people there about media. So she was talking to a media executive in line for the bar and he predicted countless small indie outlets catering to highly niche audiences. Love that prediction. And then he says, and then David Ellison's Skynet, he deadpanned. The Terminator reference was the kind of thing CGI explosion fanatic Ellison might actually appreciate. And the joke being dropped at a defense tech event in D.C. goes to show.