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EpisodeĀ 10-21-2026
Public. I don't know if this is a serious comment or not, but let's see. Brian Johnson says I have an AI agent that logs every negative comment someone makes about me online, then creates a profile of the person, maps all of their social connections and finds all their emails. Tomorrow morning, my AI agent will send out an email blast to everyone's extended social network detailing the horrible things they've said about me. He says, just kidding. It's not just to their social network but to the extended network of everyone they know as well. I'm for real, just kidding on all of this. I thought he would do it. I thought that was actually kind of an interesting experiment, just sort of narcing on everyone. Narcing on. It's probably millions. Don't you think it would be millions of people? Yeah, I mean, if you include, you know, every Instagram comment, there's, I think there's a long tail of these things. So, yeah.
There. Ken Griffin had some comments yesterday. He said we're almost certainly in an AI bubble, but that sounds way more bearish than what he was actually saying. He in his comments, he's talking a lot about disruption due to AI, but also said it would be a golden age of entrepreneurship. Let's go. So so not all bad. Well, if you think it's an AI bubble or not, you can go on public. Let me tell you about public invest across all assets. You missed the button, buddy. Oh, you hit it. Automate anything with AI agents, run trading strategies, risk management, money movements, and monitor markets with AI agents for investing on public. I.
Let's talk about Unitree. They have a new robot called the H2X Kung Fu legend Guardian. This video is pretty impressive. Is there sound? What did the car do to you? I think we need at least five of those to take Tyler out. I need to take this thing. So. Yeah, even in John's sickly condition, I think you'd need at least 100 of these to take John out. Yeah, I mean, so we don't actually see the robot fighting a person. So presumably, you know. No, but. But what I've said I do think humanoids. I can see humanoids having. I've talked about this on the show a couple times, but I can see. All right, we can pause the loud robot sounds, please. Thank you. I can see humanoids having more product market fit in the home. As for security use cases early on because if you have maybe outside of that you have a break in. Just having a human sized robot, like interrupting the thief is much easier than trying to have it do your dishes right. Yes. Because you just need some physical deterrent. But I do wonder if that only works in the short term where like. Because right now if I see a humanoid robot, I know it actually can't beat me up like the current ones. You don't know that. I haven't seen any videos of people fighting robots where they lose. I'm just saying if you're a criminal and you have five minutes to. Yeah, yeah, but if you know about humanoid robots, if these criminals have done their, you know, homework saying if they studied. Yeah, if they studied well.
Automatically takes care of scaling, monitoring and security. It's time to talk about SpaceX. Si, Tesla SpaceX had their Q3 earnings call yesterday. It is one of the cooler earnings call experiences even like the countdown, like the imagery that they have just show why the company ultimately trades in a somewhat detached way from business fundamentals. But they talk about the progress that they've made over the last quarter with Starship. Starship specifically the stat that stood out is that one starship that was not even full is launching the equivalent of 10 falcon nines worth of Starlink satellites. So it just shows, shows how big the payload capacity can be. And again they're just like going as down the line as fast as possible to get to not just reusability but rapid reusability. So that's what they're telling people to watch out for over the next quarter. A lot of the call was focused on the terrestrial compute build out. Elon compared SpaceX and the team there to the other sort of like cloud or neo cloud players as this is like the New York Yankees playing in the little league. So not mincing words. And yeah, the big numbers that stood out, they're talking about two and a half to three gigawatts online by the end of this year with and pacing to get 10 online next year. Well that being said, he did, he did leave possibility for getting to 20 gigawatts next year. The logic there being like they are building out more like they're trying to get get enough effectively infrastructure in place to support 20 gigawatts even if they don't actually have the power yet. Yeah. And, and then I mean he kept hinting or vaguely circling around some kind of merger. Right. Tesla SpaceX, that's like a lot of the news about right now. Yeah. Before we get into that we can talk about, let's pull up this clip of him talking about AI demand. Our belief is, is that the value of computer per watt will increase over time, not decrease. The reason for that I think, I think it should be obvious to people really is that as you improve the AI software, as the models get better and better, they're able to you get more useful intelligence per watt. And the value of that compute is proportionate to the useful intelligence per watt. And that's why you see things like even old computers like H1 hundreds renting for more than they rented when they were new. And I think that's likely to continue. I think we're going to face a shortage of superintelligence compute and that shortage is going to remain for a long time. So I think the smart move is to, is to do short, short term contracts and to, and essentially to make, to place the bet on useful, useful intelligence for what increasing rapidly, which obviously is done. So that's what's happened so far. And also if you look at, say, how, how are our short term contracts renewing? Are they renewing at, at higher dollars per watt or lower? And we see them renewing at higher dollars per watt, not lower dollars per watt. We are also frankly hounded relentlessly by every hyperscaler and by dozens of smaller companies to rent more of our compute. So we could rent out our compute several times over if we said yes to everyone. That's just the situation here. That's why I posted that sort of video meme of the Monty Python cheese shop sketch where the guy goes into a cheese shop to get some cheese and they actually have no cheese. And so he goes like, what about this kind of cheese? What about that kind of cheese? And, and they really just don't have any cheese. So we've actually tried to offload some of our memes. They've got no cheese and we get the cheese shops. Yeah, I mean, so presumably those short term contracts he's talking about are the anthropic ones. Right? It's interesting that he keeps saying like short term contracts because I think, yeah, people were people. That's how people have been making the bear case around their compute business is like, okay, like this is a temporary solution for companies like Anthropic and Google that are compute constrained. But these contracts will roll off and the demand will shift somewhere else. And what he's saying is like, no, this is intentional. We're doing this because we want to basically every year raise prices, raise prices because the expected value of the compute will go up. I mean, or at some point like use that compute internally for Grok models. Right. This is kind of also like the meta maybe case where like, oh, they have this big build out and like maybe they're, they're making good use of it now. But at one point people were like, oh, you should just resell it, become a NEO cloud. Yeah. So he, he definitely talks about Grokbot in the earnings call as well and says he expects most of their compute to be to go towards Grokbottom eventually and talks about the growth there. The big line that stood out, which was funny, this was, came at the very end of Elon's segment before he passed the mic to Shotwell. Let's listen to it. I mean, in a nutshell, what this implies for SpaceX, annual recurring revenue by the end of 27 is somewhere between 500 billion and a trillion. Let's go. I mean, he literally nods. Oh, it's amazing. Big, big, big numbers. I guess in this case. It's funny, normally people would say annualized revenue run rate, but he said annual recurring revenue. But in this case it actually could be, maybe it's not. Yeah, it is annual recurring revenue. If they start continuing to stack these like annualized deals, people are saying that Musk just saved the NEO cloud trade with that line. Our belief is that the value of compute per watt will increase over time, not decrease. Yeah, I mean, this is what like seminal semi analysis has been saying for a long time, right? These things just keep going up. Yeah. Brett over at Ark is talking about the merger. This seems inevitable at this point. Elon's pretty clear that it's going to be up to the shareholders on either side to decide. He believes it's the right move. And again, people, one of the biggest challenges of having Space X and Tesla both as public companies is like you can't drive all of that investor demand to one place. And so you're trying to balance like supply and demand for both assets. And again, these are like, this is a portfolio of existing products as well as like. But, but the companies, both companies are valued on their future potential, right? Yeah. So combining them does make a lot of sense. I can imagine this as. It's not hard to imagine it as a sort of first $10 trillion company. Brett has a point of view on the merger. He says on SpaceX versus Tesla. Very crudely, Robo Taxi is a bigger opportunity than Starlink, but Orbital Compute is a much bigger opportunity than Robotaxi. And Optimus requires more baking time than Orbital Compute. And Optimus's success is predicated on access to gob smacking amounts. Not a lot of people using that word these days. Maybe it's time to bring it back. Yeah, yeah. Amounts of super intelligence, the forced usage of superintelligence by our industry has been pretty brutal to watch. It's really. I cringe a little bit every time on our modeling compared against the no merger case. Even if merged at the current share price ratio, Tesla shareholders would be 1.6 better off in 2031, while SpaceX shareholders would be 2 times better off. On a longer time frame. Tesla shareholders would be 5x better off having merged, whereas SpaceX shareholders would have been indifferent, would be more indifferent, 1.3x better off. So the Fair premium depends heavily on your time frame. On longer time horizon, SpaceX shareholders should be asking for a discount. On shorter time horizons, Tesla shareholders should be asking for a premium. But everyone is better off with a merged entity. A 30% premium paid on Tesla's share price today would effectively split the difference on the 2031 time frame. Tesla acquired at a 50% discount would equilibriate return differentials on the 2036 time horizon. Elon responds and just says interesting. This is obviously his way of drawing attention to to things without, without giving them an endorsement in any way. So lawyers. Yeah, I mean so many things here make sense right. Lawyers hate this one simple trick. They don't want you to know this. Yeah. The big thing is that Elon owns so much more of, you know of SpaceX that he wants SpaceX to have the highest possible valuation and Tesla to have the lowest possible valuation at the time of the merger. That being said, I think as soon as these companies are merged there's going to be way more attention put on just the, not even just Robo taxi but the car business like that we know the car business is ripping like anecdotally the Tesla's that the Tesla that you want to buy is probably has a multi month wait time and yeah I can't even like the sort of virality of Autopilot is like taking off in a way that I think would be getting way more attention from Elon were this merger not on the horizon. Yeah, definitely. What else hero Onada says? I know Elon stocks get totally different treatment but this is Oracle September 2025 Huge claims of future revenue. Revenue extremely low quality business about to become recklessly levered. So he's given the bear case here not Elon's first time making huge claims of future revenue. I think the interesting thing is like even if he's off by five years on on these sort of revenue targets like shareholders are still going to do pretty well. Yeah. But yeah very very clear that they will be levering up in a way that no Elon company has before outside of Xai. Yeah. Let me tell you about MongoDB. Please do. What's the only thing faster than the AI market your business on MongoDB don't just build AI own the data platform that powers it. Let's talk about you.
Getting the hang of it, John. Take all the time you need. The main complaint with the iPhone duo, people are getting their hands on the iPhone duo. There's some reviews coming out and there seems to be a lot of complaints. The big one being app optimization. Let's pull up this image. If we can scroll down, you can see how apps that you might use frequently like Instagram or Google Calendar or Spotify. This looks like a Rivian app. Also Internet speed check. Anyways, not dialed yet. I do think that, I don't think this is necessarily going to be a huge issue. I think this kind of thing will get fixed pretty quickly. Are you talking about the big sidebar that's kind of taken up a lot of that. So it's like hey, we made a phone whose entire value prop is that it's a bigger screen. And then as of right now and again, I expect this to get fixed for real estate. Yeah, the core value prop is not being delivered on yet. Mark Gurman says the iPhone duo reviews are some of the most brutal I've seen from an Apple product in a long time. Vision Pro aside. But I've been around long enough to remember the iPhone 5, 6 and iPhone X. The app optimization issue is a non issue and will be resolved in weeks. The one big difference I'd add the iPhone 5 and iPhone 6 plus gave developers one week of turnaround time though they've had a month plus in hands on development opportunities with the duo. So I don't know what Google and Instagram and Spotify are doing. If they've had the ability to. Yeah, they've had a month. They've had roughly a month. But maybe they're just bear on, bearish on the duo. Well, I think for like Instagram or whatever they probably assume that people are going to be doing kind of. They're going to have the like wider so you can do kind of dual wheeled reels. You want to do it. So they're probably optimizing. Yeah, I want to, I do want to see what it, what it looks like on Instagram when you have the two screens. Yeah. And so I think these are starting to be delivered on Friday, I believe the 23rd. So we'll start to get some. Yeah, but somehow people have them out in the wild now, so. Well, this is MPHB review. Yeah, I assume that he get it early. Let's pull up this video from MKBHD photo quality. That selfie camera. Yeah, that is, that is very first gen and it is bad. The photo quality is trash. It Looks a little better on, like, a FaceTime call with video than just straight up taking pictures with it. But, yeah, Apple clearly has done the math. Like, they've assumed people won't use this camera very much, and they've accepted the trade off of image quality versus having this big, dramatic, uninterrupted inner display. We'll see that selfie camera. Yeah, Yeah. I think that's a reasonable trade off. And the camera is effectively invisible. Yeah. Which is extremely impressive. Yeah. So this makes me more bullish on this. Yeah. It seems like a pretty good experience. Yeah. I did not get one, but do you want. I could imagine other people enjoying it. You're not gonna get one. I could you get one. If we needed somebody on the team, I could. Yeah. To make a sacrifice and do it, I would Sacrifice, because you're going to have a massive aura loss. That's true. Yeah. You can't be seen pulling this thing out, cracking it open. I mean, John really does need to do it. He's the newspaper guy. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's got to do it, so I don't think you should have to. Okay. Let me tell you about Railway. Railway is the all in one intelligent cloud provider. Use your favorite agent to deploy web apps, servers, databases, and more, while Railway automatically takes care of scaling, monitoring and security.
Then, you know, poke your head out every now and then. Zoomer, Zoomer. Cybersecurity advice, everyone. Our friend. Moving over to updates on Trevor Milton's new jet startup. I don't even know if it should be called a startup just because the company's been around for decades at this point. But yeah, friend of the show, Preston Holland was able to actually go to the event. I was quite bearish on this strategy. Trevor Milton's obviously been pardoned. He doesn't have a record anymore. He's free to do and build whatever he want. I just think the strategy. So he did nothing wrong? I'm not going to say that. Definitely not going to say that. But he's a free man. And again, I think the strategy of going into private aviation where you have super discerning buyers is just not probably a good business strategy. I still think you can make some argument where there's some kind of stigma discount that you can get on the plane because like, if other people are worried about buying from him, that's a buying opportunity for me. Right. Others are fearful. Buy when others are fearful. So I think this could. You can. There's some argument here. I think it makes sense. I think that typically, that's typically about investing, not relying on a machine for, you know, these are investments you could say, in a way, right? Yeah. It depends on how much you value your time versus your life. But anyways, Preston got a good picture. At the launch, the wings of the plane were propped up by posts. So is that normal? No. Maybe this is part of the innovation. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, very. I shouldn't say it's a huge surprise. Right. You would think that they'd have more confidence that the wings of the demo aircraft would be able to just support themselves. Right. Considering they're meant to support the entire plane in the air. But coming from the push the truck down the hill guy, can't say I'm that surprised. Okay, hit me. Let me tell you about Figma.
PHP land. Tyler, you want to kick it off? Yeah, I mean, so php, obviously, like everyone knows. Right. As you do, you know. Sorry. So something like 70% of all websites run on PHP and basically there's this big vulnerability that was found in August and now it's kind of coming out. There's a patch coming out. It should be. I think it may have just come out. It. It didn't come out immediately when the actual news of the vulnerability happened, but yeah. So this was discovered with 5.6. Yep. Back in August. And so for the last couple months, all the different companies involved have been trying to inform as many as people as possible. Yes. Trying to make sure that a lot of companies can get ahead of this before the disclosure. The big issue, I mean, my personal point of view is like, you're probably going to be fine using services from public companies, right? Yes. Companies that would have been there would have been in the loop over the last couple of months. Yeah. The bigger issue is the rest of the Internet websites that. Yeah, I think there's going to be this kind of long tail of people that, you know, maybe are not that online, but they, you know, they're running their own server from their, you know, local business that they've had up for 20 years or something. I think that's a scenario that like, is maybe a little bit more scary where you just like have to really say, stay up on this stuff. Yeah. I've been thinking about like all the different places that, that people have input private information, things like Social Security numbers. I'm thinking like old. Even like local government websites. Right. All these different things. Feels like we're very close to or effectively it's unavoidable that a lot of this stuff is going to leak out. So that's the bad news. Yeah, we've seen a lot of government websites, like temporarily come down. I think Finland, they had some Internet services that they like just took offline. Yeah, took offline. Netherlands, France, similar. But hopefully throughout the day those will come back up because it seems like the main patch has now come out. So the issue, dubbed PHP2 Shell, represents a class of problems in the way PHP manages a computer's memory. It can be exploited in many ways, some requiring just a few seconds by hackers who would use it to run unauthorized software on any unpatched web server. It is the most severe security issue that PHP has faced in more than a decade, according to Volker Douche, a security engineer with a nonprofit foundation that manages the PHP project. He likened it to heartbleed a similarly widespread vulnerability that forced a global race to protect hundreds of thousands of servers more than a decade ago. When security patches are released, it marks the starting shot in a race between defenders and hackers. Defenders have to test and install the software patches, while hackers study the patches as a guide to find new vulnerabilities, looking to see what has changed and then devising ways of attacking those areas. But today's AI tools can do this work much quicker than any human, potentially making the process more risky, security experts say. Some dude on Twitter could take the patches and run AI against it and post some exploit script, said Ty, the chief executive of Caliph, the security company that first discovered the issue. All hell will break loose. Is that good? The Big Bug Ryan Austin, a researcher at Caliph, uncovered the flaws with help from GPT 5.6 SOL, one of OpenAI's most advanced models, from a couple months ago during an audit of PHP source code. In August, OpenAI funded that another audit as part of an effort by AI companies to help open source projects address software vulnerabilities now being uncovered by AI systems. The class of bugs had been hiding in PHP source code for years. Security researcher had flagged it as a problem area decades earlier, but the flaw had been considered too difficult to exploit and was largely forgotten. AI found a way Austin figured out how to control the code that was running in the computer's memory with as few as with as few as a few dozen requests to a server running PHP on smaller system that the hack takes just seconds. A more complex one, it can take hours. On August 11, Deng called PHPS leadership. There's a serious issue here, he said. I had this moment of oh God, what are we doing now? Douche said. How do I communicate this? And then you calm down, you let the adrenaline flow through and you get to fix it soon. An informal working group had formed among security researchers and software engineers. They collaborated with software distributors and security companies figuring out ways to patch PHP2 shell and prevent it from being exploited. Researchers from Google's Wiz Cybersecurity Team soon reached out with new exploits, which they had discovered independent of Caliph. There were findings from OpenAI's research team too. AI is enabling well meaning security researchers to find thousands of software bugs overwhelming projects like PHP with a flood of issues that need patching. But PHP2 Shell was viewed as a priority, and AI's proficiency at hacking prompted worries that criminals could exploit PHP2 Shell. We need to figure out how to we need like a nickname for that. It's getting a little Long heartbleed. That other. Yeah, that name goes hard. Yeah, you're not php2 Shell doesn't sound very scary. Yeah, it just sounds like some mumbo jumbo. Keeping the secret. Php2shell is the most severe AI vulnerability that was ever found and. And one that was likely too complex to have been discovered without AI, said Ami Luttwak. Wiz's co founder Deng and the other researchers kept its existence a closely guarded secret while they worked on fixes for fear that an AI aided hacker might find and exploit it before they were done. Really crazy that this was kept like a relative secret for this. Yeah, well, actually I think the original release of this was supposed to be tomorrow and then details started to leak, I think a day or two ago. And so they pushed it out. Right at the very end it started to leak. But yeah, while they were working on it, it's great that they were able to kind of hold onto this. The patching effort was massive. There are close to 200 files being fixed and developers wrote over 10,000 lines of code during the process. Should have called Gary Tan. He could have ripped that 10,000. GStack could have done that in a day. Yeah, maybe hours. Eventually a patch was set. October 22nd. Then the inevitable happened. News of the patch leaked out Tuesday in a post in Hacker News. Fitting for it to go out on a site called Hacker News just under two days before the patch release. Douche's team decided to rush out the patch on Tuesday. They warned the world to stand by and expect a critical security update on Wednesday. It was a good balance to inform defenders and not give attackers too much time to develop exploits. So game time, a bunch of different. I think the Prime Minister of Japan has been posting about it and Nikesh, our guest coming on in roughly 15 minutes, said that's how you know it's serious. Yeah, Greg Brockman had a good post about this one. Interesting kind of tidbit that people are pointing out. I can read it here as vulnerability discovery ramps. We will need new defense solutions, potentially including authorized defenders, such as government scanning the Internet for vulnerable hosts and either notifying or in extreme cases, patching those systems remotely, which is very interesting. I mean you can imagine some kind of service that basically they just, whenever anything happens they are like have some sort of, you know, write access into your systems and can update them. Yep. Prime Minister posted. We have an urgent request for everyone to take action regarding php, which is used on many websites. The PHP security team has issued a warning about two critical vulnerabilities. Please check if you have publicly available websites that use PHP and prepare to apply the fix patch that will be released tonight at 11pm Japan time. It is difficult to apply the fix promptly. Temporarily suspending websites and similar measures can be considered an effective way to reduce risk and levels. IO reached out to a friend. He said, I notified a friend working at a big tech company about the PHP vulnerability as their entire infrastructure runs on php. He answered, thanks, I'll try to patch it in a few days as I'm out of office now and this is the modern tech company. Imagine the traditional companies running php. People won't update fast enough and the vulnerability will be out in the wild once the patch hits as anyone can reverse engineer it based on the patch. Considering this, there's going to be so many sites hacked and so much user data exposed, I think. Yeah, not great. Wildfire also, I mean we haven't covered this yet, but there's actually two vulnerabilities. There was a second one from Emudra which is basically the TLS certificate, right? You know, that has the little lock on the browser. Some of them had like very trivial private keys. I think one of them was literally just number four. And so, you know, for context, the private keys are supposed to be, I think hundreds of digits long. These like, you know, numbers and it's just number four. Not great. It is fascinating though that. But no one would expect number four. That's true. I looked it up. I think that had been like live for like a year and a half and seemingly no one really did anything with it. So maybe kind of a white pill actually. Yeah, no one expects the number four. Yeah, it's actually the smartest possible thing they could have done. Yeah. The most secure OpenAI released a codec skill to help check whether your website is affected. They point your codex at a GitHub repo that was just created and it will guide you through it. So check that out or use your favorite agent. NSA cyber is flagging concern as well. And again, this is the kind of thing that you want to be staying in tune with throughout the day because there's going to be more updates. Yeah. Let me tell you about Cisco. Critical instructor for the AI era Unlocks seamless real time experiences and new value with Cisco. Wow. Nailed it. That one was smooth. I think Jan's gonna get it. You're picking it up, you're natural. What else is going on? Sarah Guo says today's example of why AI people are legitimately stressed about Internet resilience in the face of agentic cyber attacks in 2026's ongoing Volpocalypse. Emudra's intermediate CA private keys turned out to be tiny numbers like and 56. We covered this already, she says, to make this more real. You think you're on IRS.gov there's a padlock next to the URL and all, but it's actually a scammer intercepting the connection, harvesting your SSN or bank details, then maybe forwarding you so you never notice. Good news is the browser's already blocked the bad certs. Bad news is a long tail of servers, containers and devices that still trust them has not one bad key generation script from 2025 is still forcing a heartbleed scale cleanup more to come. We have plenty of Internet wide security cleanup to do. Yeah, so I think this is really important for kind of the long tail of services, websites, stuff like that like we talked about earlier. I think, you know, if you're worried about within the coming days, like if you're. I don't. It doesn't make sense to be too worried about like logging into Instagram or whatever and having that be leaked. So you're saying get on reels. Yeah. Anytime that you might have been doing productive things on the Internet, stick to reels. Yeah. Let everything clear up. Hit the reels in the meantime, then poke your head out every now and then. Zoomer Cybersecurity advice Everyone.
There it is. Oh, okay. It's gone. We're having some difficulties here. Yeah. Yeah. I'll figure it out as the show. John makes it look so easy. Yeah. Makes it look so easy. But it's an art form, right? It truly is. Yeah. You can't really. Some of the stuff, you can't even really be taught it. It's just kind of natural, I think. Totally. You're born with it. Yeah. Well, let's pull up this video of John shortly before coming down with an L. Wow. Wow. Season got started and he wasted no time. Clip farming. Majestic. I hope he's watching this. I think he's sleeping. Anyways, let's. Let's go into PHP land. Tyler, you want to kick it off? Yeah. I mean, so.