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What? Were there any particular business opportunities that you turned down while you were in the thick of. Yeah, I million bucks to hold them. A Budweiser can. Okay. Would that be on the show? Like, how does that happen? I don't drink, so I don't want to be a guy, go to a bar. I don't drink. And plus, you can't get greedy. I was on TV every night. I don't need to be on TV when I'm in commercials. In between when I'm on tv to come off TV and go, hi, I'm Jay Leno. You know, go sell it sounds so, you know, my favorite was, hi, I'm so and so. And I'm here to tell you about. Shut up. I don't care really what a celebrity has to say, but it just makes me laugh. You don't know what you're talking about. You know, what about something more behind the scenes? Instead of being a spokesperson, someone comes to you. I mean, the car, the famous Carson story is the suits that he was not compensated for appropriately. Right, right. I'm wondering about other business. Well, I have. I have some car accessory business. I do polishes and things. Something that has a shelf life. But did that come up after you had finished your run in Hollywood mostly, or that came after the Tonight Show? Yeah, after the Tonight show. Yeah. But were you getting your door beaten down by business opportunities throughout the Tonight Show? Well, people come with, you know, watermelon on a stick. This is going to be a big thing. Okay, great. Thanks, Bob. You know. No, I know. Stay focused. You know, I had. I make money doing this. This seems to pay extremely well. I will stick with this. You know, I had a friend of mine, he was a doctor, optometrist. He always wanted to open a hot dog stand. He opened a hot dog stand and it was doing okay. And then, well, let me open another one on the other side of town where there's more people. And that did okay. And then he's running between. And then he lost his optometry business because he really, really, Bob. The hot dogs, the eye thing is, I think pays a little bit more money. Yeah. No, but this. Yeah. My thing is when I have, like,

The horses left. I mean, everybody's in Atlanta and every other place now. Yeah. How did you navigate this relentless nature of show business? Is this something, you know, we start. You didn't find it relentless? 6am to midnight every day? I had real jobs. They suck. Okay. You know, you get paid pretty good. Sure. You know, if you're a cop or a nurse, your days are hell. You get hurt, you get beat up, and you make $400 a week. I always tell people the way showburst, you're gonna get screwed. But when you get screwed, you get a big pile of money. Here's the thing, you're gonna get screwed. I always tell guys, don't fall in love with a hooker. Cause that's what showbiz is. Eventually it's gonna end badly. But when it does end, hopefully you have a big stack of cash. My favorite joke, I did a joke about Charlie Sheen. Charlie sheen went through $200 million. Remember when he did that whole thing? And the joke was he spent it on cocaine, gambling, and women. And the rest of the money he just wasted. That's my favorite joke. Can you explain to me the difference between what it takes to perform at various times, slots? 10:30, 11:30, 12:30. This informed so much of the late night wars. And I never fully understood why someone would work at midnight but not 11pm we came up in the on demand era. Well, I think it doesn't matter. That's right. What was it? Well, who's up late at night? College kids, out of work, people, whatever it might be. Okay, so the audience is different. Yeah. Who goes to bed at 9? This person. That person. I mean, that's really the way that. That's really the way they do it. Yeah. Because when you watch every ad now, it's Advil and all kinds of pain relievers. Yeah. For the late nights. Yeah, yeah. Got it. Yeah. All like. And so you would see that feedback of someone took a particular slot and they're not performing well in the ratings because they had a more mature or maybe a younger target audience in mind for those jokes. And they weren't landing well. I mean, it's really. You see what people laugh at. This is why I went. This is why I was on the road every week. Because when you're in the studio, a guy pushes a button. Laugh, applause. So you do something. Exactly. I rest my camera. Yeah, we just got. Yeah. I was about to ask. I mean, it's so much. It's actually. People that make content today have it so easy because you put something out. Like, we'll get text messages live from our friends that are laughing, whatever's funny, or, hey, you should have this person on right now, or this thing just happened, or the chat will update us, or someone will leave review and say, you know, John just talked for 10 minutes straight, no one else said a word. Stuff like that. And we take all that. Some of the stuff you naturally take to heart, other stuff you ignore, whatever. But you guys, you're just kind of like in a bubble. And so for you, well, the trick is not to be in the bubble. So you go on the road and you just deliver. Yeah, you try. This is really. And you get a sense of where people are and what's fair or unfair when you. The joke should be pure. You know, people always say to me, I bet you wish you were on TV now with Trump. I go, no, because I don't like Trump. I can't stand the guy. And when you don't like someone, it's harder. You know, with George Bush, I go, you know, I don't think President Bush quite understands. And people would start to giggle because you're alluding to the fact that maybe he's not the brightest guy, but you're not just saying he's a big jerk, he's stupid. You know, you're not doing that. You just get, yeah, I don't think he quite gets it. And then there's snicker, snicker, you know, and that's what worked for me. You know, when you truly dislike a guy, it's hard to be funny. I used to. There was a comic, I won't say who he is, but he got divorced. It was the worst thing that happened. He'd be on set anyway, my ex wife, and the joke wouldn't get funny because it sounds like the final.

You know, so I think that's their transition into driverless and outer space, I think. How did you grapple with the pull of politics through your career as a talk show host? It feels like there's a lot of pressure from audiences to address the current. Take a stance. Take a stance. Well, yeah, you know, write, joke, tell joke. Get checked. Very simple. Very simple. It's very simple. You know, it depends. Johnny and I had the same theory. I'm not putting myself in Johnny's class. I just mean the fact that you make fun of both sides equally, and that worked fine. And then all of a sudden, other talk showers come out to you and you got to take a side. Well, it's not my job. It's not my job. You know, when you go out in the real world, when you perform in Hollywood, well, you get exactly the audience. You do a chump joke and they all cheer. Okay, fine, you go to Indiana and half of them or a third of them boo. That's unfair. It's whatever. And when you sell real tickets to real people. So, you know, I announced just taking politics out of the act. I made a few references, you know, and ticket sales are up 20, 30% because people just. It's like when I go see James Taylor, I don't want to hear a lecture. Well, yeah, I like the rainforest. Yeah, it's good. That's a tree. And, you know, I can't hear Sweet Baby James. You know, I want to hear the music. So. It wasn't that hard when I did it. It wasn't that. I mean, when I knew Denis, Nell, you and your Republican friends, I hope Dimas, Nellie, Union, Democratic Party. When both sides like you and hate you at the same time, well, then, you know you're doing something right. What else did you learn from Carson? Well, I mean, that as. As a model, that format is dead. I mean, podcasting is the new thing. Sure. I mean, the thing that really killed it is not the fact that Letterman and I were so good or any of that nonsense. We just happened to be there at the right time. It's the last days they passed a law since they weren't making as much money after 11:30 at night, you could have another eight minutes of commercials in an hour. You know, if I see Jake from State Farm again, I'm going to shoot myself in the head. You know, I mean, I try to. I try to watch, like, night I watch them on log. Yeah. And then there's six minutes of commercials and. And the 30 second spots are so well done. Yeah, they look like two minute spots. They have cars and explosions, airplanes. Okay, really? And I go, jesus. Then we come back, the market open on CNBC is brutal too in that you have like one minute of content and then back to ads for lots of stuff. Yeah, it's terrible. And it's funny because TV used to be you'd go out and say, you ever see that commercial with a guy? Oh yeah, yeah. It said nobody knows. Oh, that's right. Because everyone's seeing slightly different ads. No, but nobody sees. It's really hard. The only breakthrough, the only thing where network or traditional tv sports. Sure. And some event happening right now. Let's go with our cameras right now. And that kind of. Everyone used to know like the Clydesdales or the Polar Bear and like those. Well, for example, they shoot game shows now in Ireland and they fly Americans over. Whoa. To be in the audience. To be in the audience. So you think it's shot in America, but it's shot in Ireland. I don't know why it costs so much. You know, we did, I did an awful show for Mattel, this Hot Wheel show. It wasn't a very good show. And for two years, three years, we shot in my garage and I donated the garage and they made a donation to a charity. It was cheaper to send 175 people to Ireland, put them up for two months, pay them a redeem than it was to shoot in my garage for two days. That's crazy. Is that taxes in Los Angeles and California? Well, that's all. Or tax incentives? Well, all the things the other. Get the incentives here. Like here, if you go down Cahuenga, it's $5,000. You make a left. Oh, it's another 7,500. But you can go right. But there's a formula. They figure out where you want to shoot. You can just go on those streets. You go down the other street. I saw you go down the other street. I mean it's starting to change a little bit now, but it's a bit like the barn door, you know, the horses left. I mean everybody's in Atlanta and every other place now.

Weather. Yeah, it's interesting. What do you think of the Tesla Roadster demo? The circus act of the kick flipping? Well I think people don't want electric cars. They put rocket engines on it. That's not technically electric. No, but I think, I think you're saying Tesla move from a car company to a space company. Yeah. I mean what you're doing is showing off your space technology. Yeah, okay because. Because you've got cars from China. You've got cars. Tesla's getting hit on every side. Plus the politics of it somehow getting involved in that cost him a lot but with the gas prices, well Tesla sales are back up again so they did okay. But I think the car business is. It'll be hard to make money because somebody will always have something cheaper so I think that's their transition into driverless and outer space I think. How did you grapple with the pull of politics through your career as a talk show host? It feels like.

No, you were good. You were really good. No, you weren't. Okay, whatever you're doing, change it, because it's not working. So that's what's working. Did you have any rules for the Tonight Show? I was listening to a interviewer who said he has one rule, which is that the current guest cannot trash talk the previous guest. He didn't want his show to take place. Who is that? This is a random podcaster, Joshua Citarello. But he was saying that he didn't want each interviewer to be each guest, to be a referendum on the previous one, trying to score points on the last interviewer that he. Oh, no, that was never a problem. Okay, but did you have any, like, rules that you felt. Well, the rule I had was anybody can pull a cord and stop the train. Okay. You know, we had interns. Okay. You guys are in your 20s. Okay. I'm old. Tell me if a joke sounds corny or if it's. If it's that dated. Sure. Or you just let me know if I sound like it. I'll tell you if it's cooked. Yeah, yeah. And they'll go, you know, that's kind of an old reference. Yeah, yeah. I remember one day, I'm watching tv, and the Stones are on and all their endless comeback tours, you know, And I said, my God, they look pretty good. You know, and look over, and the interns are. They're all laughing. They go, miss Delano, they're really old. Yeah, but they. No, they don't. Look, it just made me laugh. I go, you know, you're right. You're right, guys. They look like old guys playing guitars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back on cars, the ZR1X. Fabulous. Fabulous. You know, something that.

What did you drive here? I drove a 2012 McLaren. Okay. Yeah, yeah. One of the first ones. I've been involved with the company since the beginning, so. Yeah, really good. I enjoy them. Terrific cars. Terrific cars. Terrific cars. What do you like about them most? What do you think of the criticism? It's the rich guy, go, fast car. Well, I'm a rich guy and I go fast. Guilty. Guilty. Well, no. Well, you know why I like it? I like it because I was in on the ground floor. I find customer service has been. You know, when I bought the car, I'm specking it out and I said, let me. Carbon fiber. He goes, do you track the car? I go, no, this is going to be a chica. He said, you don't need a carbon fiber brake. You can save 20 grand. Oh, okay. Yeah. Instead of trying to upsell it, I did that. I had the car six months. They called and said, oh, there's an upgrade from whatever it was to 617 horsepower. You want that? I said, how much is it? Oh, it's free. Okay. Okay. And, you know, I bought it. I bought the P1. I bought the new. The new W1 for track only. W1. No, no, it's a street. You know, I don't want to be that guy. The fat guy in the leather racing suit doesn't quite fit. If I'm gonna race, I'm gonna race Miatas. You know, I don't want. You know, I did the. I did a celebrity race once with. With Dan Gurney. Right. Right behind Dan. One of the things. They gave everybody a Toyota Celica right behind Dan Gurney. Okay, I'll do brake lights. Brake lights. Turn, turn. Okay, good. And then he's a little bit ahead of me. Okay. Now he's in my rearview mirror. I go, how did that happen? And then he passes me. He lapped me. I have no idea how he did. I thought, okay, that's not. I'm not a race car driver. I enjoy automobiles. I enjoy working on them, but I am not a race car. You know, driving is like sex. All men think they're good at it. They're not. Yeah, no, it's the most. It's the most. Like, actually driving on a track is the most humbling thing. Plus, you know, something about, like. Something about cars. It's like the reason that F1 is. Is still, I would say, almost challenged as a sport is that in almost every other sport, you can tell what the athlete is going through, and you can tell how intense it is. You can see the. You can See the sweat? You know that they're running back and forth, all these different things. And in a race car you can't, you know, one, you can't tell that it's physical unless you've been in a race car. And two, they make it look so easy that it almost. Right, right. And it's just like, oh, they're just going around in circles. Well, that's what we live in an era now where everybody thinks everybody else's job is easy no matter what you do. Like, oh, Tonight Show. So you come in at like three and then you have jokes to read and then you leave at like 5:30. No, no, I get there at 7 in the morning, I leave at midnight. You know why? Well, I got to see the movie, I got to read the book, I got to pre interviews, you know, I mean, yeah, but that's, that's, that's kind of. See, I'm a huge believer in low self esteem. Sure. You know, it's the key to success. If you don't think you're the smartest person in the room, you just shut up and you pay attention. And that's what I did when I got to the Tonight Show. Give me the best lighting guy, give me the best director. Give me. And please tell me when I suck. Just tell me when this show sucks. The show sucked. Okay, what do you gotta do to make it better? But you know, I have friends of mine in the business and you know, nobody lies. Nobody tells them the truth. No, you're good. You're really good. No, you weren't. Okay, whatever you're doing, change it because it's not working. So that's what's working. Did you have any.

And the new McLaren SUV could have a hard time, but you don't know. You don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Before we bring in our first guest, we have to watch the best interview in pro sports right now. Okay. Because I want you to sort of get into this mindset as we go into our guest segments. Y wonder about 34 saves in your night, just how you felt and what you saw as you looked out from your crease. Yes, I felt nothing. The problem with me is that I have a lot of fun playing, but when I start having too much fun, it makes me into. From an unconscious goalie to a conscious goalie. And my conscious brain is really bad at playing goalie. So I have to let my unconscious brain do the work because it reacts a lot quicker when I'm having too much fun and I'm smiling and I'm talking to everybody and I'm hanging out. What happens is that shifts me into more consciousness brain goalie, and then I can't react in time, and then I'm slow. I'm behind the play, and then I give up seven goals, you know? But today it was just unconscious. Like, don't think about anything, you know, if you ask me how I made a save, I'd be like, I have no idea. Just my unconscious brain does it. And that's what you work in practice for, you know? Well, you felt nothing during the game, but I wonder what you felt like after when you're doing the three stars and you hear the crowd and when the buzzer went, that's when I was like, okay, now you can let it all go. So you get a. A huge rush of, like, dopamine and serotonin and adrenaline and just, like, goosebumps. It's the best feeling in the world. It's, like, the biggest reason why I love to play. And, yeah, then you can just let it all out. Now I can smile and enjoy myself. But, yeah, like, TV timeouts in between, period. I'm like, don't smile. Don't talk to anyone. Just focus on your game. Let your unconscious brain do it. And it was great. It worked. It worked. Congrats on everything and feel all of it. I also got pretty lucky, too. Like, three posts, you know, no goals, off my own team. So that's, you know, hopefully that luck continues, that I continue to mix it, keep it rolling. I love this guy. Why? Oh, he's just like, this is incredibly fun to listen to. And it. I realize I've gone through that same experience, not always but sometimes I'll surf a wave and I get to the end and I have no I can't remember anything that happened. Yeah he's kind of just like but in the moment I was incredibly like I was incredibly present. Yeah but I had no I'll have no memory of like what I actually did and I feel like think like actually really hard. Yeah what actually happened there? I think it's a better yeah it's a good sports like post game interview because it's not just like oh like thanks to the team we all did everything we could we worked hard and it paid off like it's yeah it's more it was like a very real yeah unique cuts through the perspective normal interview so yeah I understand it now I saw that in the timeline but I didn't actually watch it so I get it now Let me tell you about MongoDB what's the only.

We do have some important news today we need to get to. Mercedes has announced the 2028AMG GT63 SUV. It's an 1153 horsepower electric powerhouse. And we're getting a review from Jordy. What are you thinking? That's my review. That's all I got. You like, you like a Mercedes suv? You like a G wagon? Yeah, I do. I actually think it looks fine. From the same company. I think it looks fine. Would I buy it? No. Why not? Would I recommend a friend or family member buy it? No. 060 in 2.4 seconds. Now the rear end actually looks pretty. Okay. The rear end. It reminds me of the Ferrari Luche. Those circular, multiple circular tail lights like that with that rim there. Something about that looks, looks lucha to me, but I don't know. These, these super SUVs, especially in the electric configuration, are just odd to me. I think it's going to be a tough, tough market with the depreciation and all this stuff. Yeah, this is going to absolutely bomb. You think so? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think this is something that they started working on like five years ago? Yeah, almost certainly. Yeah. Well, no, it's gonna be. It's gonna be rough out there. It's gonna be rough out there. It's one of those things where it's like an impressive piece of technology, but this buyer is buying this kind of car as a daily. Yeah. And I just don't think it can stand up against other products in the class. You know, I would think that electric would do better in an SUV package like this than in a sports car. Like. The Porsche CEO was discussing the taking the Cayman platform entirely electric. And are you more optimistic about this or the electric Cayman? I thought they canceled the Cayman. He was talking about it. He was talking about electric sports car. Like two seater, small electric sports car or five seater big electric SUV. Which one of those are you taking? Electric SUVs make sense. But this car cannot drive itself and it's just going to get destroyed. But assume neither of them can drive themselves. Which one? Yeah. So obviously the Cayman, it just becomes like a street legal go kart. Oh, you think Cayman will sell? There's gonna be some. There's gonna be some buyer there. Yeah, I wonder, I Wonder. With the SUV, a lot of people still think, yes, it has 400 miles of range, but maybe I want to take it to the snow. Maybe I want to take it to somewhere where it's cold and the battery won't warm up. Or there won't be a great. There won't be a great electric charging network. Not that this is an off road suv, but I think the SUV buyer, they still have in the back of their mind, like, yeah, maybe I will take this to Joshua Tree and be off the grid for a day. And I want that flexibility. Even if this is just an everyday suburban, get around, daily driver, comfy car. And it feels like electric might be harder in the SUV segment. At the same time, someone who's buying a small sports car, they seem so much more inclined to want to hear the sound of an engine. But I don't know. We'll see, we'll have to see. If we see these on the road. Do you think you'll see more of these on the road or the BMW xm? Probably more of these. But the XM has been a massive flop. Yeah, but you said this might be a massive flop, so which one? Yeah, but this isn't. This is going to be, I think, quite a bit less expensive. Oh, really? Okay, yeah, if it comes in at 130, that's more, that's more doable. But if it's up at like 220 and it's going up against Urus and the new McLaren SUV could have a hard time. But you don't know. You don't know. We'll see, we'll see. Before we bring in our first couple.

Scott Kirby wants to know be known as someone who moves quickly after a disappointment. Ten years ago, he was let go from American Airlines after being passed over for the top job. He was furious. But after telling his wife, his next call was to a board member of United Airlines. He was hired at United in 2016 and named chief executive in 2020. His goal was to best his former employer. A true chip on the shoulder, chips in pockets story. For a long time, I said our goal is to be the best airline in the history of aviation. I think we've become the best. Not at everything, but in totality. I think we're the best. He took over united during the COVID 19 pandemic, the worst crisis the airline had faced since 9 11. Things have largely turned around for the industry since then, and United stock has risen more than 300% during Kirby's tenure. Pretty good. While things may be looking up for United, for many travelers, flying is miserable. Delays, lost luggage, chaotic boarding processes and cramped seats. And people talking, dictating next to you. As we heard from Andy Kessler, it's United's job and his to take the stress away, Mr. Kirby said. As a father of seven children. Whoa. Gong worthy moment. Mr. Kirby often looks at air travel through a parent's eyes. Investing in better wi fi, having more movies and TV shows available, and developing a user friendly app. He said, well, all help reduce the stress of traveling, especially with children. Tyler, give me your airline movie tier list. You said that you have strong opinions about what movies are available on different airlines. Is that correct? Well, so, I mean, a lot of them don't have screens at all. Okay. So I think honestly, like, I prefer the screen on the seat. You do. It's a better experience. It's more like plane. Like, it just feels like otherwise I'm just like watching movie on my phone. Okay. You like the screen at the back. So it already puts a lot of them kind of at the bottom. I think Southwest really screens. I feel like JetBlue was early to the TV and the headrest. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I completely forgot that we used to live in a world where there would just be the tv, like for a section. Oh, with the highs. Yeah. And everyone watches the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Real sense of community. We don't know how to do that anymore. That was great. Yeah. And you'd look over again, this was the era where, you know, people had manners too. And you look over to the stranger to the left and the right and you're like, it's a crazy movie. Right. Oh, yeah, we're watching the Fugitive or something. I never experienced that. There's. There's one screen for the entire. How. No, there would be. There were, like, in the. In the. In the back of the plane where. Where I always was was. There might have been like, four screens. So you could think of, like. So they'd be mounted into the ceiling. Yeah. Did you ever fly on a plane? But there'd be. You probably did. Never. Wow. I don't remember. Silver Spoon. Okay. But so. So for me. Wait, wait, really quickly. Consolation prize, where they have the little grabber that holds your phone. How. How much of a consolation prize is that for you? You know what I'm talking about, right? Yes. Where there's no screen, but there's a hook that you can mount your phone into. I mean, yeah, obviously it's better than nothing, but it's still. I think I like the screen. Okay, you like. Although the screen sometimes bad because hard to connect your headphones, but okay. So for actual movie selection, I think Delta is clearly S tier. They're far and away the best. They have a bunch of, like, kind of art house Criterion movies on there. They've a good slide. Name one art house movie. Let's see. They have a lot of, like, old. They have some Ingmar Bergman movies on there, but name one movie. Seventh Seal, I believe that was on a. That was good. Delta scroll test. Good test. Many people would have had. And then I would go. I think United. Okay. Is behind. Yeah. Probably B tier. But they got Starling now, so you can watch anything. That's true. And then after that, it's kind of just toss up. I don't know. Okay. Do you think that United and American and Delta should experiment more with, like, certain devices to help you sleep? Like maybe straps on the back of the headrest to kind of like keep your head up? You know, I've seen some people do that because I've never. The whole pillow thing. The whole pillow thing around your neck never really worked for me. I'd still. Under the collar, I'd slump forward, you know. Okay. But if you had straps kind of holding your head back, like. Like you're trying to be an F1 driver, like pulling your neck back. Yeah. Doing the neck workout, you could effectively. You probably sleep. I did see an Instagram rule guy who tried to do an entire workout on a plane and he was doing like. Did you do a 5K? No, no, no. Oh, I've seen that. I've seen that. But I've also seen people that are just like, hold on to the seat real hard and like pull, and then that's your bicep workout. Then push down. That's your tricep workout. And you just do that for like 60 seconds at a time. And you're just exerting yourself. And he was like 5k in the airplane lavatory. Very funny. Very funny. Do you think Delta flight attendants should be able to order passengers to close window shades on daytime flights? It's too bright in here for everyone. Even though you paid for the window seat, you probably paid extra. You don't pay for that. Absolutely not. So if you sit in the window seat, you're the master. Like the final freedom that you have on a plane, all your freedoms are taken away, but if you have the window to seat, you've got a little bit of power left, but with the person next to you. And you should be just right. You shouldn't, you should be. I think you should have manners. Oh, so you say. It's a responsibility. So you need to, you need to communicate. I think, I think it's more like if you're, you should plan your, like, you're, you should be planning how much light you're letting in based on, like, time zones, how much, how much, how much research should you do on your, on your seatmate before you sit down? Like, because you could sit down and have a whole conversation about, you know, what's your level of sleepiness? What's your level of interest in my personal Instagram reel feed, Maybe it would delight you to watch me scroll reels. Maybe you want me to put on a movie. Because sometimes people put on a movie and it's too salacious next to you, and even though they're on their phone or they're on their screen, I'm like, nah, I don't want that there. I don't like that. But sometimes people pick a really good movie. Not just a good movie that I want to watch, but a good movie that I want to glance at every once in a while. You know, like, if somebody's putting on the Dark Knight, I'm like, I'm definitely going to glance over. It's like an extended trailer. Exactly. You might pull it up yourself. So I think if you're being really, really courteous, you should have a whole discussion with your seatmate and say, hey, look, I got the window seat. Yeah, but we need to have a negotiation here. We need to have a discussion about what are you trying to accomplish on this flight. Are you trying to sit, are you trying to just enjoy the light. Maybe you low on vitamin D? Maybe you're trying to sleep. Let's have a discussion. Let's see what makes sense for everyone here. Yeah. Yeah. I would almost certainly take it a step farther and maybe pick out whatever your section is. Maybe there's 10 or so people in your vicinity. Go. Actually, once everybody's boarded, convene a little conference. Yeah. But actually just go take notes on everyone's individual preferences when they're planning on napping, things like that. And then figure out the right schedule. And then actually take it upon yourself to just say, I will be the window operator. Yeah. For this flight. And maybe you could get one like some, some kind of like, like, you know, those like marshmallow roaster sticks. If you could have something like that and you could go and, you know, use it to, to open and close the windows on the schedule. That is a sort of predetermined. You're saying that like commercial aviation has basically become lord of the flies. So you need to like, embrace that. You need to become a leader. You need to become a leader. What are you saying? I was gonna say the window should always be open. And if you want to sleep. Whoa. If you want to sleep, it's on you to bring an eye mask to like. Oh, I think it should. Basically a little rugged individual, maybe. Not a sovereign individual. You gotta bring your own eye mask. Should the plane deliver free eye masks? I feel like they give headphones out and bring your own eye mask. They have eye masks in first class, but if you're in coach, they don't have any options. Right. You could, of course, fashion an eye mask out of the in flight magazine using complex paper mache strategies. You could also rip your shirt. Oh, yeah, no, no, you don't need a shirt. You can do that. You can do like the ninja thing where you put your shirt up this way and then you tie it behind your head, you know? You know. You ever do that as a kid? No, not too much. Oh, really? That's the best move. Yeah. Well, we've gone down this path a little bit where we get seated separately on a flight and then we start a negotiation to try to do some trades. Yeah. And we've, we've initiated some pretty complex trades. It doesn't always work out. Right. What was the most complex trade we initiated? Sometimes you're like, you're going to move here because you're. You want to be. You don't want to be in a middle seat. Yeah, we have a middle seat, but we have this other person who's willing to take a middle seat. Yeah, it should all be just open auction. There should be, everyone should board the plane and one at a time all the seats get auctioned off live with a, with an auctioneer going, don't do I have $20 for long leg room. $20. $20 for long leg room. 21 dollars for exit row. Exit row, 21 dollars. 20, 22 dollars exit row. Think auctioneer. That would really, that would really up that level of energy on a commercial flight. I think I got peanuts. It makes so much more sense. Peanuts, $5 for peanuts. Peanuts $5 Im ask $6 $6 Imax. The stakes on JetBlue, you definitely will sell those. Well, we have the perfect guest coming on Omaha Steaks is joining the show, the CEO, president CEO from Omaha Steaks. And we're going to get to the bottom of the steak industry. Anyway, first we.

Excellence and reliability. Very rough in the skies. Andy Kessler went off in the Wall Street Journal opinion pages over commercial air travel. We'll see what you agree or disagree with, he says. Have some manners, people. We're too deep in the era of me, me, me to care about common decency and courtesy. Is politeness dead before takeoff On a recent flight, the woman next to me spoke with gusto on several phone calls. Annoying, though common, but then in the air for the next two hours, she loudly dictated text messages into her phone, including can we split it into four lots? Question mark and don't forget to buy organic blueberries, exclamation point. I put on noise canceling. Earbuds didn't help. Then music still heard her. My normally potent stink eye glares failed. Then I cranked Metallica's the Unforgiven to 11. I could still hear her Argh. I often encounter the expression polite society. I'm still searching. Yes, I should have said something, but I was seething so much it would have included many of George Carlin's seven words you can't say on television. And why should it be on me? I was taught to be polite, worry about others, hold doors, give up subway seats. I can't remember the last time someone held a door for me. Plain etiquette is long gone. Conversations with others I actually didn't know what George Carlin's seven words you can't say on can't say them on this live stream. For sure. I'll say them, don't say them. The George Carlin seven words you can't say is one of the all time comedy bits. It's. It's wild. This is good reference. Yeah. Great. Great guidance. Deep cut. Yeah. More, more, more. Podcasters should study. I agree, I agree. Unless you're a comic, stay away from it. But dictating out loud when she could hear, when she could type is an irritating loophole. Dictating is on par with eating a smelly enchilada with a stench that lingers until somewhere over Nebraska. Sadly, airplanes are the new Greyhound buses. With apologies to Greyhound, people are often underdressed, unbathed and overserved. And anyone who gave permission to go barefoot once the plane takes off and who gave anyone permission to go barefoot once the plane takes off with Starlink, WI fi and artificial intelligence, needing instructions is the end game. Talking versus non talking sections on planes like quiet cars on trains? How about common decency instead? What do you think? You want a quiet section on the plane like a train? One of my recent public flights. A guy. A guy was just. A guy was just watching like scrolling reels. That's me. I was next to you. Nitro circus reels. You were. You were over here. Okay. But this other guy was to my left and he was just scrolling reels was a full volume. If it's a good feed, I wasn't paying that much attention. I like a little spy scroll. I like a little secondhand scroll. Take a, take a trip down someone someone else's algorithm. The experience, like part of this is like the experience of being jammed with hundreds of people you don't know in a little tube and then spending hours. Yeah, exactly. And then spending. It's already so bad that when these other little things happen, it's like, how much worse could it be? Andy continues. He says being polite has been replaced by the incivility of narcissism. People who worry only about themselves TikTok more than mode. Me, me, me. Influencers rule. Be seen has replaced do something useful for personal stature in everyday encounters. Most folks rarely ask questions and always steer things toward their own accomplishments. Yawn. I get stuck in these conversations all the time until a fake coughing attack is an excuse to send me searching for more liquids to wash away my disgust. Cities gave up on politeness years ago. I'm tired of phone absorbed people who carelessly dart in front of me on sidewalks. Then there's the smell of skunk weed or whatever, the latest variant from dispensaries that's stinking up city streets and suburbs. Waiters are rude, then want 22% default tips plus a 4% health charge. Then there's the cursing. I'm no saint, but have we all turned into Susie Green from Curb youb Enthusiasm? And he does actually quote someone swearing, which I'm not going to say, but he he said Super Agent Ari Emanuel's new memoir, Roll the Calls should have been titled Rude, crude and lewd, given all the redacted words I've noted in excerpts. Decorum at the top is sorely lacking. Too many loyalists are emulating Donald Trump. Treasury Secretary Scott Besant hand wrote a note to Senator Elizabeth Warren. Not to be outdone, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick of Canada said they suck, as was asked of Senator Joe McCarthy, have you no decency, sir? At long last, we're overloaded with ha, hate and vitriol. Democrats versus Republicans, Progressives versus maga. Globalists versus America First. Socialists versus Anyone with half a brain who remembers the Soviet Union. How does this end? Society has changed. Our young generation is filled with Luigi Mangione lovers. Students cheer the murder and rape of Nova Festival concert goers. Eleven jurors thought a woman murder who murdered her children should be let off and too many people think this is normal. I'd like to see miss Manners figure this one out. Elon Musk called it anthropic, misanthropic and evil, yet now has a nearly $45 billion deal with Anthropic for AI capacity. Maybe politeness is overrated. Or maybe some people can get away with being rude. Be nice. I'm not pining for a return to the Victorian era, but politeness and decency should include respect, common interest and nailing a spike in today's rampant narcissism. Many of my incoming emails are as courteous as a mule kick to the head. I'm used to it, but please don't dictate a response to this column on your next flight. Andy Kessler well, absolutely going good news John. I love it. A lot of these people that he's referencing.

Anyway, in other interesting news, former Nikola CEO Trevor Milton is starting a private jet company. He was pardoned by Donald Trump last year after being convicted of fraud. Preston Holland, the private jet guy, has a take here. He says tonight, Cyberjet will unveil their new light jet model, the SJ36, supposed to do New York to Los Angeles nonstop in a light jet, faster than any competitor. The CEO is Trevor Milton, formerly of Nikola, the electric truck startup. I'll be there tonight and he will make sure to get picks. Now, I was very confused about this because I was like, you should be. I was like, okay, he was pardoned a year ago. Even if he wasn't, even if the fraud allegations and conviction and over or pardoned didn't happen, he's got a clean record. It just takes a decade to start a plane company. Often two decades. It takes forever to get FA approvals. Good news, John. Yes, Because Cyberjet has been FAA certified for quite a long time. Yes. The history is fascinating. So he basically bought the remains of a private jet program that had already consumed more than $700 million in development spending, and that company had achieved FAA certification. So Ed Swearingen invents the airplane, this particular airplane, the cyberjet. Between 1986 and 1991, he was an experienced aviation engineer behind the Merlin and Metro turbo props. And his thesis was the same thesis that Trevor Milton is pitching today. An extremely fast private jet, small, initially called the SA30, with Gulfstream providing early backing. Gulfstream left in 1989 after like three or four years of development, and then they brought in investors from Taiwan to fund more, including the government funded the aircraft under the name Sino Swearengen. Engineers stretch the fuselage, redesigned components, and spend years trying to certify. Look at the lasers, John. It's very. If you were worried about buying a plane from Trevor Melton, don't be, because the lasers are out of this world. This is actually. They're going everywhere design. How are they doing those lasers in front of the plane? The background looks like a LED wall of some sort. But what's going on in front? Do they have like LED wires throughout the crowd? Circus mode. This is a circus. Yeah. This is akin to the Tesla Roadster launch. Very, very entertaining. Very. I don't know, psychedelic to me. The crazy. I mean, maybe talk about the history before. Sure. I talk about how I think Trevor Milton could hit water if he fell out of a boat. Yeah. So by 2008, cumulative spending reportedly exceeded $700 million, and the jet achieved FAA certification in October of 2005. And that feels like a long time ago. But in the world of private aviation, like there are plenty of 2005 Gulf Streams that are still flying around constantly. And so planes typically have like a long life to them. I mean you still fly in 747s and those are like 60 years old at this point. So the first customer airplane was delivered in 2006. Dubai investors acquired a controlling interest in 2008, renaming the company Emmyvest Aerospace. But production never scaled. They only built about 10 aircraft across the program. Production ceased in, in 2009. And me vest filed for bankruptcy in 2010. Then an aircraft supplying company supplier, Metalcraft Technologies, they'd already manufactured the components for the SJ30. They, the ownership group acquired the bankrupt assets. 2011 it is very over the top. But continue. It's making me want one. It's pretty cool. We'll get into it. We'll get into how viable this is, how dangerous it is. So Metalcraft had manufacturing expertise, tooling and the aircraft's type certificate, but struggled to restart production despite years of promised upgrades. In 2019, an updated SJ30i test aircraft flew, but large scale commercial deliveries still didn't materialize. Then an investor group led by Milton acquired Cyberjet in 2024, which feels pre. Pardon. I don't remember when the. Didn't the pardon happen in 2025? So he was out there doing this deal before. That's pretty crazy. And his role as CEO became public in 2025. So he, he began promoting the company as a broader aerospace platform with the SJ34, SJ36 in house. Avionics, which is sort of. Yeah, this is the crazy thing. Yeah, this is the craziest thing to me that he wants. You just go and say like, hey, we have this, this plane that's already FAA certified and we're going to make them and we're going to sell them. Yeah. But instead he's going for this sort of like autonomous vision. Yep. He's not going to use a Garmin cockpit or a Honeywell cockpit. He's like, I got to do it myself. And I could understand this a bit more if the whole angle was like, we're not here to reinvent the wheel. We just want to make. We're just going to make and sell a plane. But what's the differentiator? Why would anyone buy this? Well, I don't. So the thing is like if you were going to buy an aircraft and you're going through that process, these are some of the most educated Discerning buyers. Right. It is a massive purchase. Your life is dependent on the quality, reliability, all these things. And I would go out on a limb and say that every single person that is in the market to buy a midsize jet like this. Yeah. Well, do a little research on the company. They might do a little research on the CEO and realize that he was part you Probably. Yes. Technically due for a major comeback. Yeah. But, but come back could have been like, yeah, we're going to use, we're going to use the technology that every other plane relies on. Yeah. And it, the, the specs are pretty solid. Like the performance seems good. Yeah. It doesn't seem obvious that you need to reinvent the cockpit. And while you're just trying to prove that anyone should fly in a vehicle that you create. Right. You're famous for creating a vehicle that you, that you roll downhill. So what would be the strategy to sell the first unit? Just go really cheap, like low margin? I don't know. I just, I just don't see, I don't see it as a selling point of like we were reinventing the cockpit. Yeah. Also I wonder like how the autonomous features can actually benchmark is the idea that at 14 million you can buy this and fly it yourself. Yourself, but then use the autopilot to go take a nap in the back or something like. Yeah. I just don't think, I just don't think, I don't think buyers, I don't think buyers in this category are even that worried about like, oh, I want to have one pilot versus two. Like, it's just not that material. It's not that material of a cost. When you think about flying over the course of a year and doing hundreds of hours in the air. Yeah. And so I just think it's like a pretty rough. I think it's a rough, rough, rough pitch. And I just, again, I don't, I don't see why you would buy this product unless it was the only product in the category. Yeah. At the same time, I do like the idea of buying something that's already been certified. Something that has a lot of Glad. Makes a good point. He is post fall. That's great. Yeah. Well, if you're looking for automation for it. HR and finance support, head over to Console. Console builds a agents that automate 70% of it. HR and finance support, giving employees instant resolution for access requests and password resets. Sell me this plane from Sell you this plane. I think the pitch is that it's already been certified. So all the safety Concerns. Does it have a real engine? Like they have a partnership with Williams. Like it's a Williams engine. Like it's going to be FAA certified. And so you're basically the reason you buy right now is because it's going to be a good value because they have to get some planes. Yeah. Dan is making my point. He says the quote, cost conscious private jet flyer. You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. I don't know. I saw T pain buying a 2004 Gulf Stream and saying it's the exact same plane as the brand new one. It's 90% cheaper. And the only difference is the USB ports are USB A instead of USB C. He's like, it's the same thing. A lot of people don't care because like the safety is the safety standard. And that's not really where the progression happens. The progression happens on like slight comfort detail. Slight like how quiet it is. Maybe the wifi, like you can see what they're advertising. Heated and cooled seats like. Like that. That's so minor. I don't know. Look, I'll tell you the most. One of the most bearish parts of this. What is that? I think if this had potential and if Trevor wasn't all had no cattle. Andreessen would be backing up. Andreessen would be backing up the truck. Right. They did Adam Newman. Oh, right. These sort of like post fall founders that were. They all have their flaws, but in many ways, like their strengths are so overpowering. Yeah. And I just don't see. I just can't see Andreessen getting involved here for a bunch of reasons. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know how long it'll be private, how capital consumptive it'll be. But the only person that I want building an autonomous aircraft is the combined space X Tesla entity. Yeah. There's. That's who's going to make the flying car. Yeah, that's who's going to make the flying, you know, a cheaper, you know, private aircraft. Yeah. I don't know if they'll ever do the private aircraft just because the market is, I mean, you know, depending on. Depends on how much you could drop the cost. But. Yeah. What did Milton do before? So he's the. Everyone knows him from Nicola. Let's see, he's Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Lds. He went on an LDS mission to Brazil, learned to speak Portuguese. That's bullish. You need to supply your private property. You need to land in Lisbon. Lisbon. Yeah. After leaving college, he Started an alarm sales company. He eventually exited the business and founded an alternative energy vehicle company called D Hybrid, which retrofitted commercial trucks with engines that could run on natural gas instead of diesel. Disputes with investors eventually led to the dissolution of D Hybrid, which Milton launched, which after which Milton launched D hybrid systems. In 2012, this company focused on natural gas storage systems for heavy duty trucks. He would be printing if he'd stayed in the natural gas industry and was just doing data center stuff. So he sold that company to Worthington Industries. In 2015, he's founded Nikola Motor Company in Salt Lake, initially known as Blue Gen Tech, with an initial investment of 2 million from Worthington Industries. So the company that acquired his first company backed the truck up for his second company, Nikola. They put 2 million in and of course putting 2 million into a new, you know, electric vehicle company is a totally reasonable bet. They obviously didn't know what would happen in the in the ensuing years and they probably got out because I think the company was public. Nikola introduced several prototype models, including the Nikola One, a hydrogen electric semi truck designed for long haul transportation. In 2020, they spacked and got to 12 billion of valuation. So yeah, that early Worthington investment was probably pretty good. By June 2020, the shares had more than doubled and it was worth nearly $30 billion, briefly surpassing Ford. Wow, that is crazy. On September 10th of 2020, two days after Nikola established ties with General Motors, short seller Hindenburg Research released a report accusing Milton of making false statements and calling Nikola an intricate frau. Report. Nicholas. Stock price fell. The SEC and DOJ launched investigations into securities fraud allegation involving Milton on September 20th. Just 10 days later, Milton resigned from his position as executive chairman as part of his exit package. He remained an unpaid consultant to Nikola until December and was restricted from publicly commenting on Nikola without prior approval. Milton retained 91 million shares valued at $3 billion. Then he goes. So he basically just did one company and then went straight into Nikola. Interesting. Well, I don't know if you see these flying around. My total victory for him. Certainly people love a comeback story. I do wonder what will happen. I think the company's up a creek without a paddle. Okay, okay. Well, let me tell you about CrowdStrike. Your business is AI. Their business is securing it.

Hey, y'. All. It is Tuesday, October 20th. Jordy, are you gonna hit the gong again? You're warming up. I feel like I'm getting something out of you. Continue, continue. Let me tell you about ramp.com, time is money save. Both easy use, corporate cards, bill pay, accounting, and a whole lot more all in one place. I feel like I'm gonna get a gong hit any minute now anyway. You want me to do the whole show here while you just hit the gong? Okay, I think Jordy's on gong today. What is the top story today? Thievery at PSA. On October 13th, thieves broke into a FedEx truck outside of PSA's California headquarters. Wait, they were waiting outside of the headquarters? That's shooting fish in a barrel. That's crazy. I mean, that seems pretty smart. That is smart. Like, it's actually. But you think similar to money. Yeah, in the. In. In the sense of, like, how dense. Yeah. Go to the bank, go to the mint. They basically rob the mint. So, yeah, these are trading cards. Extremely valuable. A lot of stuff. To some. To the market. To the market. Some people find them extremely valuable. PSA, of course, grades trading cards. And the FedEx truck outside of the California headquarters was robbed. And the thieves stole nearly $1 million of graded trading cards that were being shipped back to customers. Here are the facts. FedEx truck was parked right outside PSA's grading center where they actually rate the cards for their quality. In Santa Ana, before was broken into. The driver left the truck unattended for 60 to 90 minutes and returned to find a. Yeah, this is kind of an own goal at this point. Now, inside job. Inside job. Okay, maybe get the tinfoil hat out. Inside job. So the truck driver left the truck, attended for 60 to 90 minutes and returned. Oh, no. They broke into my truck. The lock was broken. Three pallets were stolen from the truck full of already graded cards. Two pallets had around 100 packages each in them. And the third pallet had 50 packages, totaling 250 packages of cards stolen. The value of the first two pallets is estimated to be around $963,000. That's to some. To some people. To some people, like Dylan, our president, he values trading cards potentially higher than this. PSA is still figuring out the value of the third. The one thing worked against the thieves is that every PSA graded card has a unique certification number. And PSA has deactivated the certification numbers of the stolen cards. So if you go try to sell the cards, they'll say, oh, that Particular SKU has been stolen. They would say this card is worthless. Yeah. Basically it probably won't stop the thieves from selling them on black markets. Who's buying black market trading cards? You gotta be real degenerate to get into that. You don't. Because there's no value. I mean imagine some collectors would get some thrill off about this card was in a heist, you know. Yeah. It still feels a little nothing. Nothing. I'm not for buying stolen cards. Don't do it. And it'll definitely make it harder since some of the cards are one of ones and we'll have all eyes over them. Everyone's gonna be waiting for these particular cards for the collectors that were affected. PSA says it's figuring out compensation based on the fair market value of the cards. But the payout is capped at the insurance limits. The collectors chose at checkout. Some of the effectors. Oh, whoa. So if you sent your cars into PSA, you got the insurance. I feel like PSA's gotta. Gotta. This happened. Eat this one. Yeah, this happened like your driver was incompetent. No, no, it wasn't. Their driver was the FedEx driver. I know, but you, you used a service. It was completely incompetent. So you think I think PSA should take it up with FedEx. Well, yeah. You would think that PSA is insurance covered. Oh, you didn't check the box with the extra insurance a lot like a lot of that stuff is. A lot of those like check the box for insurance things are basically scams. Yeah. A lot of them feel like. I think consumers have been trained totally with all the flight insurance that like never really pays out. There's like all these weird insurance products again. This seems like a real insurance product though. It seems like they, they, they designed this properly. I know. But they should ensure their job is to ship valuable trading cards. Yeah. Valuable around the world in quotes. Every, every shipment should be fully insured. Wow. 1. One individual had a. Also just prints another one maybe. PSA just emailed me letting know that FedEx stole my 104 card submission. Over 100,000 cards and just gone very very rough. Other users speculate the real value of the stored of the stolen cards are somewhere in the mid seven figures. They think they're worth more. Just one card. The C07. Roro Noura Roronora Zorro PS8. I can't pronounce this at all. Roro Noah Zorro PSA 10 pop 12. What are we doing here? What is this? Okay, this is a One piece character. It's from anime. That was valued at $500,000 in quotes. Some people are paying $500,000 for a one piece trading card. Not Jordan. Where's this? Tortuga. The FedEx heist is bigger than we think. Just one card in the truck is valued at 500,000. You can see it here. Let me know. Jordi, how much would you pay for this card? I just added it to the timeline. This is from 1999. It's a Zorro first stage. Pulling it up. Zoom in. Show Jordy. I want the fair market value from. Not psa, but jlh. What you got? How much are you paying for this? Like, where do you even start? You start with a number, a dollar sign and then a number. I would rather have $1 than this trading card. Okay, so 99 cents and you're a buyer. I don't even care that I could go and sell it for 500. I'd lean on the dollar. You're out of it. Okay. You have respect for the dollar. Anyway. Darryl, I just think I'm so fascinated. So fascinated by the hobby. Yeah. I do not understand it. Have you ever played trading card games? Battle card games. We were talking, I mean, when I was a boy. Like Magic or one of those. No. Probably like Pokemon. Pokemon, Yeah. I never played Pokemon. I played Magic. Magic's fun. Like, that's a good game. Yeah. I bet you like playing. Yeah. Play. It's great. Yeah. I mean, it's fun because it's a. It's effectively a board game, but it's one on one. So it's like you can get some real. Real tension. Real. And then you can play a tournament style where everyone plays against each other until you get the final. Final person. But it's a lot of fun. I saw that in the chat. We're not. Why it's going off in the chat. Not a fan of that card. We're on the same page there. Yeah. One of us. Ridiculous. Anyway, I just think, like, the. The places that you can buy silly. Like the kinds of silly assets that you can buy. Right. Like angel investing in a friend's company. Right. It's kind of silly sometimes. Sure. Being worthless. Sure. That's okay. At least it's a lottery ticket. Yeah. This is a lottery ticket too. But. But in that case, you're supporting. You're supporting a friend. You're supporting capitalism. What about the fret? What if you're friends with the person that made that card? What if your founder. What if you're friends with the creator one piece. Or. Or that you could. Or the illustrator or that you could have get like a Porsche Mission S for roughly the same price. Maybe we don't know. We don't know anything about that car. They really told us so little. I watched an interview with the CEO on Bloomberg and I have my sources confirmed flat 8 because they're not confirming it. I'll confirm. Could be anything. You'll confirm it? I'm willing to confirm it. Price somewhere between $200,000 and the thing with the price is just gonna. Look, don't get me started. Don't get me started on cars. Oh, we're going to cars because there's a new AMG from Mercedes. Gabe would rather buy a Buzzball than one of those trading cars. I agree. Well, if you're trying to design the next great trading card, do it in Figma. Agents meet the canvas. Your AI agents can now create and modify your FIGMA files with design system context. Darren Revelle to close it out says completely understand the fire PSA is under after the FedEx truck theft. But the biggest threats don't lie with PSA. They lie with inside jobs and third party character car carriers. The biggest threat of your cards going missing happens when you insure a package for 50k and leave the shipper. The simple name PSA or collectors in the address box is the threat. There must be a change and it must be today. PSA and a preferred carrier must work on the additional like. All I'm saying is if these cards are so valuable, why aren't you using Brinks? Oh yeah, that's a good point. You're going to trust FedEx. They should be using Brinks. That's actually a good take. Yeah. Anyway, in other interesting news, former Nikola CEO Trevor.

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