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Thank you. Wait, before you guys go, is Tyler still an intern? Newsflash. Tyler has never actually been an intern. He was always paid, and he dropped out of college. Like, how long ago? Year ago, I think. I think his original deal, he had to go to school for a decade, so he turned that down. Came here, came back. But, yeah, I don't actually know your official title. Co host. Oh, I mean, in the Wall Street Journal. Just host. They didn't even hit you with the co. Tyler Cosgrove was featured in the Wall Street Journal. One of us. One of us. He made it into the Journal. Very, very. It's a big moment the first time you get in the print edition. Did you actually get the copy of the print edition? Did you see if we didn't get it delivered that day? So I don't know. Somebody stole it, but I don't think it was in the print edition. Okay, well, we should figure that out. But Tyler is in the Wall Street Journal. You can go to WSJ.com sign up, you can search his name. And he was in the article about Cheeky Pint and how the tech elite are drinking beers, and Tyler broke it down. Do you have anything else? They sort of mogged you a little bit, didn't they? Got him. Okay. Tyler said he didn't watch the full episode because he is alive, but teleconsin TVPM gave us the breakdown, so, yeah. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. The Wall Street Journal said they. The journalist said, I didn't watch Jinkie Pine because I have a life. But this guy over at tvpn, this host, Tyler Cosgrove, did. And so he hit you with the host, hit you with the full name, spelled it correctly, got the name of the show slightly wrong. But it's okay. We'll hit it. We'll hit them with a correction for that. But. But we love the Wall Street Journal and we love you all for tuning in. We forgot to tell you the most important.

Interesting. Yeah. What does excite you? My takeaway from the whole event was like, I'm very excited. Tesla/SpaceX are obviously going to be the company that popularizes flying cars. Yeah. It might take 20 years, but they are going to be the ones that do it. Yeah. It's not going to look like. It's not going to look like the Roadster, because the roadster has two seconds of range. Yeah, it's a rocket. What is on your dream list? If you were dropped in as the CEO of Tesla or Porsche or any company and you want to build your ideal car, how manual is it? People want to go back to the old ways. I was joking about putting the crank in the front of the car. What do you want? What's on your dream list? It's tough because I am not a person that would put together all the elements of my favorite cars and then be like, all right, it's perfect for me. I think every car has an element of. If it's a truly good car, it is, for better or worse, somebody's vision, like somebody's vision from start to finish. And you can see, you see that from the engineering side, from the design side. And those cars are like the McLaren F1, for example. It's like Gordon Murray's baby. It was designed by Peter Stevens, but Gordon Murray had a finger in every single thing, every project on that car. And it's still revered as one of the best cars ever made. And it's obviously not without its faults, but. But it is of an era and there's nostalgia involved. I don't know if there's, like, a perfect car for me. There are some very exciting cars for me. The Aston Martin. What is the Valhalla? The one that just came out. I really like that car. That car reminds me of when the P1 originally came out. It's a very similar kind of drivetrain. It's also British. It's a very, very beautiful car. Yeah. And I think it is like one of these things that since Aston is. It's an Aston Martin, it's going to. It's going to depreciate. But it's also a car that we might not appreciate as much now, but later on, people are going to look back and say, oh, wow, that was. That was. That's quite a thing. But, like, I think with anything, there's a lot of. There's too many rich people out there, and then there's too many companies that are willing to give them, you know, whatever they want. So, like, Ferrari making these manuals. Yeah. So like those things are kind of, they're kind of cool. I'm not, I'm not on the, you know, hate bandwagon there. I think that that's, you know, it's interesting technology but like, I think any car that is, that gives an interesting experience and a unique experience that other cars can't give you, I think that is worth pursuing. I like the Mission S. The Mission S looks, looks interesting. I don't know how different it is going to be from like a GT3 or like a Turbo S, sure, who knows. But what I, what I think is, is interesting moving forward is like where the, the battle between EV and, and combustion engines and then like where hybrids fit into that and then how performance fits into that. But you know, I think car enthusiasm in general has gone up in the past, like, let's say three years because, you know, for a while we were worried about car enthusiasm just leaving, you know, like we're never going to have V12s again or blah, blah. I think that, yeah, my. I've had a working theory for a while that you're going to see even more of a resurgence in activity at various.

Platform to start on. And then in terms of how you select project cars, what sticks out to you? Is it all going back to like the posters that you had on your wall as a kid? Is it specific vehicles or just opportunistic? How do you think about when you want to take on a new project? When I take on a new project, it's. There's not a lot of thought that goes into it. It's more like, I don't know when I'm ever going to have this opportunity again. Yeah. So when I looked at something like the P1 or 918, I'm like, there's not going to be another P1 that comes up. There's not going to be another 918 that comes up. So I might as well get this and we're going to see what, you know, if I can afford it, I'll get it. And it's going to be a project for me to figure out and that. I mean, I wish I would have planned things out better, you know, from the start, but this is also like the reality of making YouTube and reality of like project planning because, you know, you have scope, creep, which happened to me with the py. You know, instead of rebuilding a P1, now we're doing, you know, I'm building the fastest McLaren on Earth. We are taking out the hybrid system, we're building this bespoke engine and then we're doing a bespoke body with the original designer, Frank Stephenson. And then this is now going to be like this top speed car. And you know, this is now leagues above in difficulty wise. Leagues above a stock P1 build. Yeah, yeah. How, how much room is there in top speed competitions?

Reaction. And then I want to hear about all the different projects you have going on. But let's start with the Roadster. Okay, so Tesla Roadster, everybody's going crazy over it. I don't care, man. Like, I, I can't, I can't tell you how much it doesn't like really move the needle for me, because, like, honestly, it's, it's a cool showcase of like stuff they can do. But the, the reality of putting one of these cars into production where it can do like a barrel roll or a kick flip over a truck, first of all, there's no practical use for it. And second of all, that's never going to make it to production. So, yeah, it was, it was a technology, it was like a very cool technology showcase that was attached to not even like just sort of a teaser of a car that they're going to start making in two years. And so I don't want to, I don't want to know the 20. Who knows? Yeah, it's hard to criticize because it's like they made a car with rockets on it and it's like, it's amazing. And it's cool that I'm glad that the human race can do this, even if it doesn't have any obvious utility. Here's the reason why you should. But John and I were both on the reservation list. We came in very late because we were like, you put 5k down, you can always get out of it. If you see the demo and you don't like it, but if the demo's insane, a bunch more people will come in. We kind of were expecting the car to be going into production like now, but seeing it, you're like, okay, here's a bunch of stuff that is not relevant to somebody who just wants to maybe buy the car outside of being able to produce a lot of downforce. But again, I can't even imagine going to the track with that car. And one, if you're driving it at the limit, you're just gonna get banned from the track. Cause people are gonna be like, hey, this person's like acting ridiculous. And then two, you're gonna be going through tires in like a single lap. And the novelty, the sort of brief novelty before you realize like, okay, I'm driving a heavy car that can produce a lot of downforce, but I destroy my tires. And there's probably a thousand other cars that are much more enjoyable to drive on the same track. So with Tesla, it's, it's a weird, like mixed bag because what ends up happening is you have this car that has some like legitimately really cool tech in it. Like the cybertruck has, you know, if you ever driven a cybertruck or been, you know, driven around in a cybertruck, if it's doing great of self driving, there's a lot of interesting technology in 48 volt architecture. The drive, the steer by wire, all that stuff is like super intuitive. And if you don't want to drive it, it can, you know, have a mode where it drives itself. Now would I trust it? Not really, but I think, well, here's the, here's the thing I would push back. I have. I got a cybertruck recently. It's. It's amazing when it's driving itself. It's horrible to drive yourself. It's like the worst driving. It's the worst driving experience when a human is driving it. When the computer's driving and it's like great. This is like smooth. It feels like I'm in a fridge. It feels like I'm in a dystopian fridge moving down the road. It's awesome. But I'm like, anytime I take over. John and I were driving in it last week and the two hours of self driving is perfect. He takes over just to park it and I'm like getting. It takes so much effort to make it not feel like you're just like. It's so jerky. The yoke is like terrible.

Let's go. That's right. So good. So good. Yeah. It's getting Christmassy in here. Let's check in on the Christmas weather report in Los Angeles. It's 94 degrees. Not exactly the Christmas spirit. Malibu is burning. There's a heat advisory, there's evacuation warnings because it's too hot. But Christmas is always hottest before it gets cold. It's always darkest before dawn. It's always hottest before the snow falls. It's always hottest before the snow falls. Yeah. There's no. You have control over. We have invented air conditioning. We don't live in France, we live in America. You have air conditioning. If you want to get Christmas, just turn on the air conditioning. Good night.

So, you know, but one thing you got to focus on, I'm not sure people focus on is enough, is that this is almost a joint product of Tesla and Space X. Yeah. I mean, everything about it, including the way the thrusters and the rockets work, but this notion that, you know, you can have propulsion done this way for a car, I think it shows why eventually, and I would guess Tesla and Space X are going to merge. Yeah, total.

That we can have in the tool chest. We can go to normal lighting and the normal level of zoom because I got a big reveal because what am I wearing today? I've got the Felford Again award because your boy put down 5,000 hard earned dollars on a Tesla Roadster reservation two days ago. And I think I got to refund it because the demo's incredible, but it's not starting production until 2028. I was under the assumption that this was the launch of the Roadster, that this was not the reveal, that maybe I just read the tweets wrong and I wasn't dialed in or something, but I thought it was like, okay, this is the start of production. Like they're producing them now. They're going to show what's happening, show the final design and then be like, yeah. And the people that have been waiting seven years, they're getting theirs next month and then a couple months later. And if you just stop six months going into production. So first of all, I'll start by saying absolutely incredible feat, amazing show, absolute cinema. Wonderful that they're doing this. There's a bunch of stuff that I really love about it. But dropping like the car will be going into production in 2028 was just like completely insane. That's how I felt. It was rough. Yeah, it was. I want a fun Tesla now. That self driving car. Yeah. Technology is so cool. I just want it now. And in some ways, like if you're, if you, if you gave Tesla a quarter million dollars in 2017. Yeah. And if you had just put that in the S and P, you would be, you would have multiples of that now. You'd be. And then you. There's this big event, the event gets delayed again two weeks and then, yeah, we're making the car, but it's going to be going into production in 2028, which easily means it could be like, could be delayed. It could be. Well, no, I just like it could be getting deliveries at the very end of 2028. You could start production December 20, 2028. And that's not a violation. And then production could run for like four years. So if you're later in the queue, it could take a long time. That happens with special cars all the time. Elite. Elite. We lost. We lost. But the other thing is that it just felt like they re raised the stakes so much by being like, we're going to put cold gas thrusters and rockets on. It's going to be able to do kick lips. It's like, okay, all you had to do. Yeah. All you had to do is. Beautiful car that fast. Yeah. Beautiful car that goes. I was trying to. I was trying to imagine. So the, the reason that you do this now, even though the car is not actually ready to announce at all. Yeah. Is pressure from the probably 10,000 plus people that reserved this car a long time ago. And it's getting kind of annoying. You feel like I'm not delivering on something that I said. And two, to kind of like make the Tesla SpaceX merger, like start to build towards that thesis that feels like why you would do this now. Otherwise, like, you don't need to announce a car that you're not making for two years. Yeah. When they open the car door for one of the cars, because I think some of the cars don't have seats. Some of them do. Some of them are. Can be drivable. Some of them can just do kickflips. There's a whole variety of products that they're demoing. And then they'll bring everything together over the next two years, hopefully. But when they open the door and they're like, there's someone inside, it's Spaceman, he's in the spacesuit. It's like, okay, that's a SpaceX product in there as well. It's not just the thrusters. And then I was expecting almost like an Optimus in there, but I forgot that Optimus is technically a Tesla project, not a SpaceX project. But it feels like a SpaceX project now because it's Space X AI or SpaceX SI. And so when I think of like robotics and artificial intelligence, I think SpaceX more than Tesla now. So it's like these, these companies just are destined to be the contrast between how incredible like the show and the spectacle was and the demo and the technology with like the delivery from Elon and the, the two other guys. The most awkward delivery. And so many of these kind of semi awkward moments. Yeah, we gotta play the actual play. Let's talk about. Yeah, let's talk about everything that we love about it. Okay. Also predictions, because if you remember, yesterday in the show, I predicted that it would be able to lift off the ground. I said something like six feet. It clearly does more than six feet. That was my prediction. I did not predict ramps, George. I said ramps everywhere. Ramps everywhere. And that's exactly what we got. I mean, it's just one big ramp, but it's effectively ramps everywhere. Based on. I think this totally counts. Insane that it can go upside down like that. The McMurty Sperling can actually do something similar with just fans. Should we do a tier list? I think it's time for a tier list. Okay. I like this. Let's get a tier list going. Okay. Okay. Juvenile. I'm going to start with juvenile humor. All the jokes about all the sucking related jokes, I'm gonna put those at F tier. F tier. Completely unnecessary. Okay. Yeah, the childish humor is F tier. What about just the fact that it went on the ramp up to the top before it did the kickflip? That is so insane. That is S tier. That's the thing about watching it, is even seeing it live. Yeah. Part of. I think it was super smart that they had a live audience and everyone there to see it and all this stuff, but because it is like, looks like it's breaking the laws of physics. It doesn't feel real just for that reason. Okay, which is. What tier are you putting? That's S tier. S tier. Breaking the perceived laws of physics. Okay. So the king mark in the chat says, I expected more. What did you expect, dude? Goalposts in the atmosphere, in the stratosphere. What are you doing? That's crazy. What about the rumor that it will be able to beat an F1 car on the. Okay, this is. This is what I love. Okay. The flying stuff is cool, but like irrelevant if you're a buyer of this vehicle. Because 1. I don't think they're. I don't think they'll. I think they maybe ship it to a handful of friends of Elon influencers. I'm thinking people like whistling Diesel maybe get. You know that Tesla hates him. Right. Truck thing. Oh, right. Oh yeah. No, he is. Okay, so not whistling Diesel, but maybe some like car influencers and they do some demos. But. But it was very clear during the thing as he started saying I was like writing some of the stuff down before they actually released these like specs. But he says, not sure it'll be legal in all jurisdictions, but it will be a car that someone can own. And so I'm just saying. Okay, it's like a. Not a road legal car. Yeah. And so all the flying stuff. Yeah. Completely irrelevant to people like you and me that put down a deposit. So Ron DeSantis chimed in and said like, we're going to make this thing legal in Florida and I think it's actually pretty easy to. What is that amazing? I do not as much as I want flying cars. I don't want to be in traffic with someone that has this capability. But what if it's. What if it's Geofast. That's just because they're going to mog you. That's because you would be getting. Watch out. What about. Would you be okay if it was. There was. There's never been an explosion of the tank. It's a very highly pressurized 10,000 psi tank and it's geo fenced so that if you're on a public road, you cannot take off, you cannot engage the cold gas thrusters, but you can just drive it like a sports car. But one of these pulls up next to you. Yes, there is a highly pressurized tank there, but the software is limiting it on street roads. Are you okay with that? Anyone will be able to jailbreak it with Codex. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. It's just. It's not. It works the way that it works currently. Yeah. It gives you one and a half to two seconds. Yeah. Of airtime. Yeah, yeah. Not. There's no. There's no real utility to it. It's purely. What if a bridge collapses and you need to get. Yeah, there is a video. We do have a video of that. We should pull it up. Yeah. The ultimate, ultimate usefulness. No, I agree with you. It's a stunt. Pull up this video. This is the obvious utility. But I think that there are two real utilities and this was a tech demo that could fork into two paths and maybe both. Maybe they'll try and do both. But one is what if. Yes, this is the real most likely scenario where you'll want this car. You're driving along a very long bridge and it explodes down and you engage the cold gas thrusters and you save your life. What is your life worth? A couple years on a Tesla Roadster waiting list and $250,000 of your hard earned cash in Tesla's bank account. Easy price to pay. Anyway, there's a fork in the road right now and I think Tesla's trying to do both. And they might. By the way, in 89, the Bay Bridge had a bunch of damage. Someone did drive over it off the cliff. That's crazy. Okay, so. And it was fatal. And that's only 89, so. Yeah. And our infrastructure is crumbling. Right. We haven't re. Industrialized yet. This is a good value prop. That's value prop number one. Value prop number two is I think this car can actually, if they really design it for it, do a sub 5 minute Nurburgring. I think that with the fans and the thrusters, when you're on the straights, you're actually a rocket car. You're Never leaving the ground. And it's designed to keep you on the ground, so it's sucking you to the ground. So you're going around the corners really fast. And you're effectively in Porsche 919 EVO territory with a car that's, like, from a manufacturer. And I don't know if it's road legal, but I think that they might put up, like, an actually insane track performance from this thing. Yeah. By teasing. By teasing. The lap time at Coda. That was like the best Easter egg of the whole thing. Exactly. Because again, there's two ways to view yesterday's demo. There's just, like, shock and awe. It's crazy. Colt Vlon. Amazing. The car is flying, all that stuff. Yep. And then there's like, I want to get this car, or I'm considering buying this car. What is it actually going to do for me? And creating massive amounts of downforce and being able to put up F1 style lap times is. Is insane and is very exciting. And actually the things that they kept hinting at were like, this is a driver's car. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I loved. Right. And I think that a lot of the people that are. That have reservations will be excited about that. And so that obviously was just like a minor detail compared to the whole circus. Yeah. But. But that's what I think is actually cool because no other car manufacturer would do this in that way. Nor would they add the thrusters to the rear to help with that. Zero to one time. Yeah. There's a lot of questions that. That you immediately start having of, like, if you're using, like, do you think tires would last, like, one lap if you're pushing it on that Coda? Like, it would probably, like, they would probably just be completely shredded after a single lap. I think it's just get the record. Just max the record. It's like 0, 60 times. And then I was starting to think about it. I'm like, tracks will 100% ban these from public track days. Because can you imagine, like, your average roadster owner just, like, heading down to their local racetrack and being like, I'm gonna go out for a public session. It's like driving, like, an absolute banshee. But yeah, let me tell you about number two, the second path. But first, I'm going to tell you about the New York Stock Exchange. Why change the world? Raise capital at the New York Stock Exchange. So the first is crazy track performance. Crazy track performance. But what else can you do with this? He was gesturing towards, like, flying Car, Flying car. Flying car is here. And yeah, it can only fly for two seconds, but you could see a world where you are actually able to deploy this. And as a flying car adjacent technology, it's really far from that. But there are, but there is a world where like my example was like parallel parking or like, or like jumping the car somewhere like that. Not quite the bridge mode. And also not like I'm taking this from L A to San Francisco. But no, the obvious use of the thrusters in daily life is, is two cars are pulling down a street and there's one spot available that you're going to need to parallel park into. If you see somebody pulling up to that, you hit the thrusters, just float into the spot, land perfectly. You know what actually would have been a really awesome demo? Have you seen those videos of. I think it's ishowspeed jumping over a Lamborghini that, going full speed at him and he jumps over it. If they'd done that with two roadsters, like the old roadster from 2019 that they never released, like driving straight at it and you're like, it's gonna crash. And then it goes and jumps over it. That would be cool. Yeah. But I do think that like this is 1% closer to you get in the Jetsons feature. Like, you get in the car and you say take me there and it flies you there. Like there's a lot that needs to happen. You need actual rockets on board, you need sustained thrust, you need a lot more. But like if we were. This is clearly like one notch towards. Okay, yeah. Your car actually just flies you from one place to another. So I don't know. What do you think? Only 1% closer. I think this is one. I mean it, it goes for two seconds, you're going to be in the car for. Do we know that? Or like the demos were very short. Yeah. And like presumably it can't go for 20 minutes, but like can it go for one minute? Like what did they actually say that one minute would be 5% of the way there from a 20 minute flight? And I think you're going to need, I think to be flying car, you're going to need to be in it for like 40 minutes. You're just gonna blast off and just coast and land. It launches you with such. I mean you only need launch and then if you have like kind of some kind of glider mechanism, then you don't need more thrust. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean he's, he's channeling like the James Bond car. I Don't think anything's off the table over the long haul. But again, this is like 10, 20 year vision. This is like if I have a car and I'm in a ton of traffic and I can jump over that traffic for like 20 seconds, that counts as a flying car. No, that's a jumping car. Yeah, that's a jumping car. I don't think that's a flying car. Anyway, so I actually think it was amazing that the Mission S launched the same day. Yeah. Because it was like the most beautiful version of Stagnation. Right. In the Mission S. In that. In that the Mission S is, you know, some combination of the Porsche 959 and the GT1. And there's some other influences in there, but fundamentally it's just like a car that just sort of returns to the kind of cars that everybody wishes were still being made. Right. Like in some ways, like the interior looks like it could have been done by like a restomod company. Right. The interior. And so. And it's just going to have like a vanilla. Ish. V8 is like at least the rumor. And so V8. Flat 8. But yeah, flat 8. Maybe they didn't confirm it, which is crazy. They're both doing vaporware. It is. It's crazy that they've been working on the Mission S so long and they can't tell you what type of engine is inside. Like, that's. I think the. I think they'll just, they'll. I expect the mission Fs to progress a lot more quickly than the roadster. When do you think it actually will be delivered? I would expect a first one customer delivery. Human driving it. I would expect December 2027 or later. I would hope that they go into production next year. Me too. Like at the end of next year. Me too. 2028 deliveries. That'd be amazing. But that being said, it was like Stagnation, but it was perfect. Right. Like, they. They listened to their customers, which automotive manufacturers have, for better or worse, not been doing or been. Been sort of unable to. And there was just so many details to that car that are just amazing. Like the. Almost every single angle. Yeah. Is great. I've noticed like everyone has like a different favorite angle. Like there's not like one totally. Like, to me, you know, the rear end of the car is just like absolutely incredible. Saw some people that didn't like that. Some people like the side. I don't like the side nearly as much as the front and the rear. But regardless, like, absolutely absolute perfection. But basically zero Innovation. Right. Like everything that really draws you in, like the seats. Right. And the harness and the fact that it doesn't have a screen. Right. It's all about going backwards in time and I think that's amazing. And then I, and I think that Tesla pushing the boundaries and like trying to reimagine the car, adding like new forms of propulsion. Right. Like the taking. Taking the. Taking us into the future while Porsche just sort of returns in a beautiful way. I thought the contrast was amazing and I think that it's okay to like both cars. Even though I canceled my order this morning at the Roadster. Yes. Fell for it again. I like, I like the design of both. The only thing I don't like about the Roadster is just like I'm worried it's not going to ship and I think it's just going to take so long because they added so much crazy stuff. It'll take forever. RX says the front of the Roadster looks like a Gallardo. I think that looks cool. I think evolving the Gallardo language is great and I think that Lamborghini has kind of like shirked that responsibility, ceded that territory. So I think this is fine. There's a little bit of Gallardo in there. There's a little bit of Cybertruck in there. I'm in. It's awesome. I think it looks great. Yeah. Obviously nowhere near street legal. You need mirrors. We've had this debate a million times. Every concept car takes the mirrors off. It looks amazing. And then you got to put them back. And Elon would have figured out how to take the mirrors off of the Model Y and the Model S if he could, because no one likes the mirrors. No one uses those anymore. But the laws are the laws and he hasn't been able to figure out his way around them. And I don't think it's going to start now. Although that seems like something you get maybe some single issue voters behind candidate in 2028, specifically on removing the side mirrors. Good for emissions, good for esthetics. It's a win. Win. It's a two party issue. Anyway, what do you think of the wing on the back? I think the rear of the vehicle is where it shines. Cool. I think the side profile in the front are horrific. Okay. But so overall, very, very. Let's close this out, give you some facts. The Tesla Roadster pricing, you put a $5,000 deposit now down now for the default performance level, which does not have the thrusters, the jets, it can't do kick flips, but it is Tesla's fastest, craziest sports car at the moment. That's going to be a $45,000 deposit within 10 days. The Thruster model requires you to put $245,000 down for a total of 250,000 within 10 days. Then you gotta wait. And the flight model is unknown and it's invite only at the moment. So the mo. So the thruster model can't do the kickflip, the one that they want to do the kickflip, the one that wants to actually fly. We don't know the pricing, we don't know where that's gonna land. I'm actually not that worried about pricing just because SpaceX and Tesla are really good at making things pretty cheap. So if they can get this out and they can get it to be 250, you know, a million dollars, you'll see them and they'll be popular and they'll be cool again. The flight stuff feels like very limited and then it's like, are you gonna have like a new type of track day where you can go do kickflips all day in your car? Is that gonna be appealing? Because. Well, no, I'm expecting the gas recharging for the thrusters to take like 24 hours, you know, so you're gonna. I mean it really is. Yeah, it really is a really good party trick. Yeah, but, but, but after seeing. Can you imagine the experience of being in the car for a kickflip? It would be extremely violent, but I don't know, wear a rare helmet and five part five point harness or something. Yeah, I don't think, I mean there wasn't anyone in the car, but I don't even think the inside of the car that did the kickflip has seats. Like, I think there's some pictures of the underside and it looks like it's basically just all a roll cage. We can pull up this one from Zaran Dube. A lot of my timeline last night were a bunch of suckers who fell for this very expensive parlor trick without asking any questions. And it's quite disappointing. This sort of grid, maybe an empty shell in there, doesn't really matter. It is a tech demo, but it's not the iPhone moment because the iPhone of course was available after it was announced. And so, I don't know, it's a very interesting dichotomy. Elon is simultaneously Thomas Edison and Barnum and Bailey. He's the circus entertainer who can put on a crazy show and talk about what technology will be like. In, you know, 10, 20, 30, 40 years. But then you can actually deliver, like, the most popular and successful car in the Model Y and become the most popular car in China, even, and actually land the rockets and get Starlink to work. I use it on planes. Like, the technology is real and then the hype is also fake. But both exist at the same time. And it's very rare to see that in a entrepreneur in a founder. In the modern era, most people are either all style or all substance. He's both, which is interesting, but we have the perfect person to talk. Did you see there was some. The last thing I would say is somebody there. People were pulling out this post from elon in like, 2019 with describing. Yeah, with Marquez, describing exactly what the roadster would become. And there were a bunch of viral posts being like, oh, my gosh, we live in a simulation. Yeah, yeah, because he just said what he was going to do and did it. I know. It was so funny because I was like, oh, we live in a simulation. Because he just said, In 2019, I'm going to do this. And then eventually. And then he did a decade later. That's not a simulation. That's just. That's just called planning. That's just a prediction. Anyway, let me tell you about MongoDB. What's the only thing faster than the AI market? Your business on MongoDB don't just build AI, own the data platform that powers it. And we have Walter Isaacson.

But I wouldn't count on the fact that he has become less mercurial. Sure. In other words, you'll see him today, you'll see him tomorrow. There are people like when Shotwell and Franz Holzhausen who know how to push him out of demon mode. He also knows how to get himself together when he goes on stage. Yeah, you know, I, I, it just depends on what's crossing his mind at the moment. It's almost like a storm cloud coming in off the Gulf. When. And then sometimes it's something political, it's conspiratorial. You know, I kind of wish he wouldn't be in that mode where all of a sudden he's deciding that, I don't know, Talarico's in a mental institution in Ohio and he's going to repost that. And you think, all right, you know, have you ever gone in, have you ever gone into your own sort of version of demon mode? Now you know what? I haven't. And you know what? I've never built a rocket that got into orbit. I've never built a, a electric vehicle. I never built a self driving cybercab. So maybe I'm nice, give yourself some credit. Demon mode is underrated on the path to greatness. Those of us who write about people in the arena, even if they're bestsellers, we don't confuse and think that we're the ones in the arena. Sure, sure. So maybe the people in the arena, as Steve Jobs said, you know, they're the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels. Y what about the process of actually reporting on Elon Musk writing the book? I've talked to some journalists who have said my strategy was I would wait until there was a successful SpaceX launch and then I'd give him a call and say, hey, you want to get on the phone? And if this, and if the launch didn't go well, I knew not to call because he wouldn't be in a good mood. Were there any, were there any strategies that you had to deal with the mercurialness and sort of present. Look, my strategy was totally different from the type of reporting you're talking about, which is when I first started the book, I said, here's the deal. It's not going to be based on a bunch of interviews with you. It's not 10, 15, 20 interviews. I want to be by your side whenever I want, morning, noon and night. Whenever I decide I want to be there. Any meeting. I got an Airstream trailer and live next door to him. In Boca Chica, get up in the morning with him, late at night with him. I just wanted to observe him through all meetings, through everything. So is. I mean, I just. I know I'm quite lucky or privileged, because I have the. Both the resources and to some extent, the clout with my publisher or maybe even with Musk, to just say, I'm going to spend two years and just watch. And so there'd be times I'd watch him go into demon mode. I'd watch him come out. I'd be sitting at dinner and a restaurant in Austin and Grimes would be next to me and she'd say, oh, demon mode's about to come. I'd watch people text Gwynne Shotwell to come run into the conference room and he's about to kill Falcon Heavy or something. And I just watch how people dealt with it. So it wasn't like, let me time my phone call for a starship launch that works. The very end of my book is being with him at Starbase for a starship launch that almost worked, but left some rubble in its wake. That's the perfect metaphor. And I'm sitting there watching him, his mother hugging him in the back of the. And sort of by the fire pit out of Starbase. That's the type of thing I try to do when I write a book, and I've done it, you know, I have a new edition of the Innovators, which is about the teams who built the digital revolution. I just try to be a reporter, not somebody who does interviews and then has opinions. Yeah.

The capitol of capital. Why do you call it the capitol of capital, Jordy? Why. Why do you feel that way? Why do you think that way? We're, of course referring to, you can see everything, the fun Nathan Fielder movie that we saw yesterday where he always asks the follow up question, asks, why do you feel that way? Why do you say that again and again and again? She never hit him with the why. Questions are overdetermined. She should have. She should have hit him with the why. Questions are over determined. That would have been the Trump car that just got him. Yeah. He would have been Nathan Fielder. That's just one simple trick. He would have been stun locked. Yeah. But a Nathan Fielder PT crossover would be incredible. That's the next movie they got to do. Deep Dive in the Antichrist, figuring out all the questions there. That'd be. So that is, I think, the only way that you could one up this. Yeah. No, so, I mean, it's maybe even too much too inside baseball. Yeah. Right. Because this was such a big story a decade ago. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone knows and they've seen the show and stuff. But anyway, let me tell you about ramp.com, time is money, say both easy use, corporate cards, bill pay, accounting, and a whole lot more all in one place. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty much a 10 out of 10 on the movie. I thought it was fantastic. I really, really enjoyed it. We went with a bunch of folks and thanks to everyone that came out and hung out with us. It was a great time. It had a big impact on us. We ditched the IEMs. Yeah. We're gonna be using these headphones now going forward. We're also gonna be shooting like this. Yes. The whole show. Cinematography was incredible. There's a lot of debate going on in the studio on how much VFX was involved, how much cinematography and actual lighting equipment was involved. Because they're the. Every shot is beautiful. It's perfectly lit, and yet they're in these tight spaces, this small beach house in Del Mar, and. And it looks incredible. And my thesis is that just the cameramen are as good at what they do as what Nathan Fielder does. Like, they are just experts of their craft. They use the best tools. They got incredible cameras, incredible lenses, and they went in there and they shot it beautifully, even with some crazy lighting at times. They figured out how to make it amazing. And maybe there's color grading after the fact, but I. I was. I'm sort of skeptical of the theory that like before every scene they went and set up a bunch of 10 by 10 diffusion and shot a bunch of light through. Maybe there's some stuff going on outside, pushing through windows, but it seemed pretty natural to me. And I think they're just really good at making it look beautiful. But yeah, it was masters. Masters at work. Yeah. Across the entire production, everyone involved, even the A24 people who I think they cast the. Them. They cast actors. I don't want to spoil anything, but. But there's some A24 references that are fun and everything. And everything about it is incredible. So highly recommend going and seeing it. Probably stay spoiler free if you can because it's a fun, wild ride. Yeah. The thing is that I think you could know exactly what happens and it would still be wildly entertaining. Like, the whole concept is just so absurd. Yeah, it is. If you followed Nathan Fielder across his career, this makes sense as a natural progression. And yet at the same time, it's unbelievable that all these different pieces came together and various groups agreed to do something like this. Being Billy and Elizabeth. Yeah. It is just almost unbelievable. Yeah. When the trailer came out, a lot of people were asking, like, why would she agree to do this? And I really think it's like, you're serving 11 years in prison, there's nowhere to go but up. Yeah. Your view was like, there's no real downside, all upside. And I think people will come away from this generally having a lot more like, regardless if you think she was guilty or not, you're gonna come away. You're gonna come away feeling bad for her and the whole situation. Right. Yeah. The days and days and days of scenes with her and her children. These shots, these shots, you know, the final shot before prison where she says she does her, you know, is pumping breast milk for the children, saying like, bring it back. Are you guys laughing at the framing or just what Jordi's saying? I'm so confused. Sorry. It's very distracting. Okay, well, quickly, let me tell you about FIGMA agents. Meet the canvas. Your AI agents can now create and modify your FIGMA files with design system context. Liz Wessel, ramp investor over at First Round. Big news from Ramp. Eric Lyman's coming on the show today, but she took 150 founders, investors and builders to an early screening of the movie. She polled 16 of them and 14 out of 16 came away saying they are more positive on Liz Holmes. Doesn't mean they're fans, just means that they thought less negatively of her. That sounds like it worked. 14 out of 16. She took 150 people. Very odd. Methodology, Liz. I mean, nicely. You did this. It's interesting content, but you should have pulled off 150. But instead she pulled 16 sort of casually and she asked them some basic questions. Do you feel better or worse about Elizabeth Holmes after seeing this film? 14 said more positive, only one said more negative, and one didn't change. But all 16 said they felt more negative about Billy. And there's some other data there that we'll kind of leave, but you can go check it out anyway. Don't miss it. Go see it this weekend. The spoilers are just gonna keep. Keep trickling out. And it's just fun scene in a packed theater because everyone's laughing at different moments, everyone's gasping at different moments. Yeah. The film believes was effectively like a psychedelic experience. Yeah, in many ways. Yeah. Like it was. It was riveting. It was like, you know, funny at these. The cuts. The production is just so funny. We're dying back here. I'm glad we have this tool now, but. No, no, I agree with you. Someone just texted me. It goes all over the place, apparently. What? What'd they text you? Apparently my. My wonderful wife texted the team telling them the show is messed up. Super zoomed in. That's hilarious. Well, is this super zoomed in, Railway? Railway is the all in one intelligent cloud provider. Use your favorite data to deploy web apps, servers, databases and more. While Railway automatically takes care scaling, monitoring and security. I will be going back to see it. I'm seeing it tonight again. You are with them. Amazing. Yeah, Very cool. Yeah, we'll be going back as soon as possible. But the whole thing was, yeah, completely psychedelic in my experience. And just, just a very. It was kind of strange for me because two hours into the movie. Yeah. There was a fire. Crazy. That got started somewhat near my house. And so I started getting calls and texts about that. And then I ended up kind of like my attention ended up trailing off, so I have to go see it again. But really an incredible work of art. Yeah. It feels instant classic. Instant classic. Yeah. Very, very fascinating. Well, I think we can zoom out. This is a tool that we can have in the tool chest. We can go back to normal lighting and the normal level of zoom because I got a big reveal because what am I wearing today? I got the Felford Again award because your boy put down 5,000 hard earned dollars on a Tesla Roadster reservation two days ago. And I think I got to refund it because the.

Generally having a lot more like, regardless if you think she was guilty or not, you're gonna come away. You're gonna come away feeling bad.

Of you think she was guilty or not? You're going to come away. You're going to come away.

I'll see multiple journalists on the horizon. Stand by. You're watching TVPN. Today's Friday, October 16, 2026. We are live from the CVPN Ultra Realm. We're back. The temple of technology. The fortress of finance. The capital of capital. Why do call it the capital of capital, Jordy? Why? Why do you feel that way? Why do you think that way? We're of course referring to. You can see everything. The fun Nathan Fielder movie that we saw yesterday where he always asks the follow up question, asks, why do you feel that way? Why do you say that again and again and again? She never hit him with the why questions. Over determined. She should have. She should have hit him with the why questions are over determined. That would have been the Trump car that just got him. Yeah. He would have been Nathan Fielder. He would have been just one simple trick. He would have been stun locked. Yeah. But a Nathan Fielder PT crossover would be incredible. That's the next movie they gotta do Deep dive in the Antichrist, figuring out all the questions there. That'd be so. That is, I think the only way that you could one up this. Yeah. No, so I mean it's maybe even too much too inside baseball. Yeah. Right. Because this was such a big story. Yeah. A decade ago. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone knows and they've seen the show and stuff. But anyway, let me tell you about ramp.com, time is money, say both easy use, corporate cards, bill pay, accounting and a whole lot more all in one place. Yeah, I mean I. I'm pretty much a 10 out of 10 on the movie. I thought it was fantastic. I really, really enjoyed it. We went with a bunch of folks and thanks to everyone that came out and hung out with us. It was a great time and it had a big impact on us. We ditched the IEMs. Yeah. We're going to be using these headphones now going forward. We're also going to be shooting like this. Yes. The whole show. Cinematography was incredible. There's a lot of debate going on in the studio on how much VFX was involved, how much cinematography and actual lighting equipment was involved. Because every shot is beautiful, it's perfectly lit and yet they're in these tight spaces, this small beach house in Del Mar. And it looks incredible. And my thesis is that just the cameramen are as good at what they do as what Nathan Fielder does. Like they are just experts of their craft. They use the best tools. They got incredible cameras, incredible lenses and they went in there and they shot it beautifully, even with some Crazy lighting at times. They figured out how to make it amazing and maybe there's color grading after the fact, but I was. I'm sort of skeptical of the theory that like before every scene they went and set up a bunch of 10 by 10 diffusion and shot a bunch of light through. Maybe there's some stuff going on outside, pushing through windows, but it seemed pretty natural to me. And I think they're just really good at making it look beautiful. But yeah, it was masters at work. Yeah. Across the entire production, everyone involved, even the A24 people who. I think they cast them, they cast actors. I don't want to spoil anything, but. But there's some A24 references that are fun and everything about it is incredible. So highly recommend going and seeing it. Probably stay spoiler free if you can because it's a fun wild ride. Yeah. The thing is that I think you could know exactly what happened and it would still be wildly entertaining. 100%. Like the whole concept is just so absurd. It is. If you followed Nathan Fielder across his career, this makes sense as a natural progression. And yet at the same time, it's unbelievable that all these different pieces came together and various groups like agreed to do something like this. Being Billy and Elizabeth. Yeah. It is just almost unbelievable. Yeah. When the trailer came out, a lot of people were asking like, why would she agree to do this? And I really think it's like serving 11 years in prison. There's nowhere to go but up. Yeah. Your view was like, there's no real downside. All upside. Yeah. And I think people will come away from this generally having a lot more like regardless if you think she was guilty. Yeah. Or not. You're going to come away. You're going to come away feeling bad for her and the whole situation. Right. Yeah. The days and days and days of scenes with her and her children. These shots, these shots. You know, the final shot before prison where she says she does her, you know, is pumping breast milk for the children saying like bring it back. Are you guys laughing at the framing or just what Jordi's saying? I'm so confused. Sorry. It's very distracting. Okay, well, quickly let me tell you about figma Agents. Meet the canvas. Your AI agents can now create and modify your FIGMA files with design system context. Liz Wessel, ramp investor over at First Round. Big news from Ramp. Eric Climate's coming on the show today, but she took 150 founders, investors and builders to an early screening of the of the movie. She polled 16 of them and 14 out of 16 came away saying they are more positive on Liz Holmes doesn't mean they're fans. Just means that they thought less negatively of her. That sounds like it worked. 14 out of 16. So she took 150 people. The very odd methodology, Liz. I mean, nice nicely you did this. It's interesting content, but you should have pulled off 150. But instead she pulled 16 sort of casually and she asked them some basic questions. Do you feel better or worse about Elizabeth Holmes after seeing this film? 14 said more positive, only one said more negative and one didn't change. But all 16 said they felt more negative about Billy. And there's some other data there that we'll kind of leave, but you can go check it out anyway. Don't miss it. Go see it this weekend. The spoilers are just gonna keep. Keep trickling out. And it's just fun scene in a packed theater because everyone's laughing at different moments. Everyone's gasping at different moments. Yeah. The film believes the film was effectively like a psychedelic experience. Yeah. In many ways. Yeah. Like it was. It was riveting. It was like, you know, funny at these. The cuts. The production is so funny. We're dying back here. I'm glad we have this tool now, but. No, no, I agree with you. Someone just texted me, apparently. What? What'd they text you? Apparently, my. My wonderful wife texted the team telling them the show is messed up and super zoomed in. That's hilarious. Well, is this super zoomed in Railway? Railway is the all in one intelligent cloud provider. Use your favorite agents to deploy web app servers, databases and more. While Railway automatically take scaling, monitoring and security. I will be going back to see it. I'm seeing it tonight again. You are with them. Amazing. Yeah, Very cool. Yeah. We'll be going back as soon as possible. But the whole thing was. Yeah, completely psychedelic in my experience. And just. Just a very. It was kind of strange for me because two hours into the movie. Yeah. There was a fire. Crazy. That got started somewhat near my house. And so I started getting calls and texts about that. And then I ended up kind of like my attention ended up trailing off, so I have to go see it again. But really an incredible work of art. Yeah. It feels instant classic. Instant classic. Yeah. Very, very fascinating. Well, I think we can zoom out. This is a tool that we can have in the tool chest. We can go back to normal lighting and the normal level of zoom because I got a big reveal because what am I wearing today? I got the fell for the get award because your boy put down 5,000 hard earned dollars on a Tesla Roadster reservation two days ago. And I think I got to refund it because they. The, the, the. The demo is incredible, but it's not starting production until 2028. I was under the assumption that this was the launch of the road.